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Tube-Feeding a Sick Cat

I visit a wonderful veterinary clinic, the Sacramento Veterinary Hospital, which has three skilled and creative veterinarians, and a helpful and compassionate staff. They’re all lovely people, but I’ve had to spend way too much time with them during the past three weeks.

In a nutshell, both of my cats, Eddie and Priscilla, had loose stools for a couple of days. Priss recovered, but Eddie ended up with stools of just blood and mucous, so I took him to the clinic. Eddie is also diabetic, which means his health is somewhat fragile to begin with. And, to make a very long story short, a few days after I first took him in, I dropped him off first thing in the morning so he could go on an IV. I expected to be called to return so that he could have that last injection we never want to give our pets.

Instead, our veterinarian, Dr. Carter, called later than planned to tell me she’d stabilized him and to ask what I wanted to do. The thought was that if she and the other vets and staff could get him through the next several days, they could send him home with some chance of a full recovery. But I would have to tube-feed him for at least a couple of weeks. She asked if I would be willing to do this. I said yes. She asked how I would feel if, after tube-feeding him, he died anyway. I said I’d feel terrible, but I’d at least have the satisfaction of knowing that I’d fought for him.

Since then, I’ve learned that people are often reluctant to tube-feed their pets in a medical crisis. So I feel like I have to take a stand. As Dr. Pierson says on her page discussing tube-feeding, this is a very valuable method of getting a cat through a temporary medical crisis. Just as you can’t leave a pet in the veterinary ICU forever, you can’t tube-feed long-term. If your cat has incurable cancer, for example, that’s not likely to be a situation appropriate for tube-feeding. But if your cat is likely to recover, then why not do it?

So I’m going to detail my experience of tube-feeding Eddie, complete with pictures. Tube-feeding is not for wimps, but it’s not hard, either. I am easily frustrated, so if I can do it, most people can do it as well. After you give a couple of tube-feedings, you start to figure out what works and what doesn’t. It is somewhat time-consuming, and it will dictate your schedule for 2 to 3 weeks. But if you have some flexibility, it’s worth it.

The first couple of times I did it this time, I was very frustrated. Tube-feeding has potential to be messy, and I got food and water all over the place. I also had trouble getting food into the syringe without a lot of air. But I quickly got past those issues, and now it’s just routine.

Here is a picture of Eddie sleeping in the bay window, which is about 3 feet from the floor, and which he jumped onto himself. Notice that you can’t see his feeding tube, which goes into his esophagus through his neck. He’s sleeping on the tube, in fact, which is one of many indications that it doesn’t really bother him.

In this picture, there’s the basic “stuff” that I need for the tube-feeding. On the left is a red t-shirt, machine washable and baggy enough to throw over whatever I’m already wearing. The potential for mess is always there, and instead of changing clothes, it’s easier to keep using the same large shirt as a sort of smock. There are also syringes, one for food and one for water, plus a mortar and pestle for grinding up pills that go into Eddie’s food. This time the food is already liquified, but you may end up having to use a blender.

Dave took a few pictures of me tube-feeding Eddie. It has to go slowly, because you can’t dump a lot of food into a cat’s stomach all at once. I’m giving him about five 25-30 cc feedings a day, since the usable food from his can comes to about 140-155 cc’s of high-calorie, high-quality, prescription cat food. A 25-30 cc feeding takes me about 12-15 minutes, plus 3-5 minutes of preparation time. So we’re talking about just over an hour and a half a day. Eddie is worth it.

 

I am looking forward to Eddie’s full recovery. He’s begun licking but not eating the regular cat food, which is Wellness canned food. He’s behaving normally and seems to be regaining his energy, although his weight is still down from the trauma of his medical ordeal. The veterinarians are optimistic, so I’m optimistic, though it will be a huge relief to have him eating on his own again. And if for some reason that doesn’t happen and I lose him, at least I will have made the effort.

July 4, 2008 - Posted by esheley | animals, cats, pets | , , , , , | 110 Comments

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  1. Thanks so much Elizabeth for sharing your experience! You are doing such a great job and although Eddie can’t tell you, that picture of him in the window says it all!

    Comment by Julia Carter, DVM | July 4, 2008 | Reply

  2. Eliz, I’m blown away. Seeing the pictures really puts into reality what you and are going through. You both are so brave. We’re keeping our paws crossed for his speedy recovery. And thanks so much for posting this information.

    Jamie

    Comment by Jamie and Boo! | July 5, 2008 | Reply

  3. You are a wonderful mom!

    Comment by Beth | July 5, 2008 | Reply

  4. Good for you Elizabeth! You are a great cat mom. You know you’re doing everything you can for your baby. I hope Eddie makes a full and speedy recovery.

    Comment by Monica | July 5, 2008 | Reply

  5. Wonderful! Eddie is lucky to have you for his mom!

    Comment by Rusty | July 9, 2008 | Reply

  6. HI
    I am currently feeding my cat via a feeding tube. Things are going well but I’m curious: In your pics above, it looks like you are putting the food from the syringe directly into the tube. my set us has actually two additional pieces that go into the tube. the first is a funnel shaped piece that you twist into the tube. then into that goes a top with 3 different entry points and a toggle you turn to open the unit up and/or close. both this piece and the funnel shaped piece come to a pointy tip and the hole is very small. as a result, food clogs up quite often. so, my question is: i put my food into a blender then thru a sieve so it’s a good slurry. if you are putting yours directly into the tube and not thru all these extra pieces, it must be so much easier! faster, more food gets thru, less plugging hassels. what info can you share in regards to this?

    Comment by BJ | July 16, 2008 | Reply

  7. BJ, you’re right, I’m putting Eddie’s food directly into the tube using the syringe. There is a cap on the tube, and that’s it. All I have to do is remove the cap, put the syringe up to the tube, and start the feeding. There is the possibility of air bubbles getting in through this system, which your system seems to prevent, and air bubbles can cause vomiting. But in 3 weeks of doing this, Eddie has only vomited once right after a feeding, and I think that’s because I didn’t clear the syringe of air. It definitely does sound like your system is more complicated.

    As for food, I know some special diets are more solid and require that they go through the blender, but our vet has us using Eukanuba Maximum Calorie food — both a dog and cat food — which is made specifically for tube feeding and weight gain. I’d compare the consistency to that of a thick body lotion, except it’s grainier.

    Here’s the trick I was given in case Eddie’s tube clogged up: after a feeding, squirt a few cc’s of cola into the feeding tube. Cola is very acidic and will eat through all sorts of gummy substances. My dad ran a weekly newspaper for many years, and he would use a rag soaked in Coke to clean the fluorescent lights over his printing presses. I’ve given Eddie a couple of Coke shots, and they’ve cleared his feeding tube in time for the next round.

    Good luck with your cat. How much longer do you have to go? We’re down to 2 or 3 feedings a day now, and Eddie is eating his regular cat food for most of his nutrition. We might get the tube out tomorrow, although I suspect we won’t and will continue the twice-daily feedings through the end of the month.

    Comment by esheley | July 17, 2008 | Reply

    • Hi Elizabeth. I just stumbled upon your posting, and I am SO glad. I just starting having to do this with my cat Isabella and we are having a tough time. I can’t seem to get rid of the air bubbles in the syringe and food keeps going everywhere. You have great details here on everything. Any tips to share on that? I can’t figure out how to fix this and it is causing us both a lot of additional stress. Thanks for any advice you can impart.

      Comment by Stef | October 2, 2009 | Reply

  8. Hi! Thanks for posting your blog. It’s SO nice to see someone else going through the same thing and the same learning experiences.

    My cat, Meagan, has just had a tube inserted because she stopped eating. I’m waiting on the results of her biopsy, and I’m struggling with the feedings. She threw up tonight after I fed her (this was my fourth feeding with her but her sixth) with the tube, but she’s still interested in her treats even though she just slobbers on them. You have the exact system I do, and there weren’t any bubbles this time (finally), but she threw up right after the feeding anyway. I’m feeding her 35 ml of food in three feedings.

    Comment by Sandy | July 19, 2008 | Reply

  9. Perhaps I fed her too fast? I will try to go slower. She got a bit impatient with me, so I went faster.

    Comment by Sandy | July 19, 2008 | Reply

  10. Hi, Sandy–
    I sent you an e-mail with this comment included, but I wanted to get this here for the record. I’m sorry you’re going through this with Meagan. We just got Eddie’s tube out yesterday, a week earlier than expected, but that was after 3 weeks of tube-feeding.

    My instructions were to go slow and get the air bubbles out of the syringe first. It took several days to get my system working, and it sounds like you’re at the very beginning.
    Anyway, I was told to give Eddie no more than 3 cc’s per minute, and in the middle to give him an extra minute. That’s one of the reasons it took so long, because 35 cc’s would take 13 minutes, and I was giving him 160 ml each day. We were trying to get his weight up. He’d lost 2 pounds, and in the 1 week in the vet ICU and 3 weeks of the tube feedings, he gained 1 1/2 pounds back again. A full 1 pound was in the last 2 weeks of tube feedings.

    So I would say slow it down, and make sure you don’t have any air bubbles in the syringe, which is pretty easy if you hold the syringe up for a minute and let them float to the top, then squeeze the syringe again. Dr. Carter gave me two kinds of stomach medicine for Eddie, and that might be something to ask about, too.

    Good luck with your situation — it’s not easy, and it’s time-consuming, but in the end it’s worth it because you’ve got a healthy cat again. Let me know how it goes, okay?

    Comment by esheley | July 19, 2008 | Reply

  11. hi sandy,
    it really is great to hear all this, and find others going through this. i brought max home 3 days ago with the feeding tube. for me the process is taking over an hour. i am required to feed him 50mls every 4 hours up to 300mls a day. it is taking alot out of me. but it seems to be getting easier as i start to feel more comfortable. i will try the coca cola trick!
    thanks again
    claudine

    Comment by claudine | July 31, 2008 | Reply

  12. My cat Maxwell is currently being tube fed. He got very sick last week and we thought we were going to loose him. He was vomiting profusely and very dehydrated. It hit him really quickly. He was a bit over weight before he got sick which caused some complications when the virus was finally kicked. Maxwell hadn’t eaten anything for 2 1/2 days. He began to develop “fatty liver syndrome”. The vets tried syringe feeding him but it was too stressful for him. I was told that I would have to place a feeding tube in Maxwell if he was going to have a chance. I really struggled with this idea. I didn’t know what to expect and it sounded like it would be too hard for Maxwell. After researching on the internet, and reading this blog, I made the decision to have the tube placed. He was able to come home the next day. It has been only 3 days that he’s been home and he is already nibbling on a few pieces of food. He visited his cat bowl at least 3 times today and he ate about 3 or 4 pieces of food each time. He still isn’t taking interest in drinking water but things are looking good. We are feeding him 35-40 cc of a/d mixed with water and clini care every 4 hours. He goes to the vet tomorrow for a check up.

    Comment by Maxwell | August 8, 2008 | Reply

  13. I hope things are working out with Maxwell’s tube feeding, and I’m glad this blog helped influence your decision to try it. Hw sounds like he’s doing great! I don’t know if you saw the updates on Eddie, but he’s made a full recovery. Today I’m adding a couple of pictures of where the tube went into his neck. There isn’t even a scar, just discolored fur.
    Best of luck to you!

    Comment by esheley | August 9, 2008 | Reply

  14. Glad things are working for everyone here. Our cat may have fatty liver syndrome or may not be breaking down proteins properly. For these reasons, we had a feeding tube placed in Friday. Since Saturday at 5PM when we picked him up wew have given him 10 feedings between 20-25ml of ZD food mixed to a slurry with water.

    After the slurry, we always run 10ml of water through the tube as well to keep it cleared out. He has started eating a bit of the slurry off a plate which keeps him in place and seems to feel more natural to him as he is swallowing a bit while the tube is also dropping the slurry into his stomache.

    I have also found he really likes me to cup my hand around his shoulder blades and run it down his back for a couple minutes after a feeding and it seems to help him digest a bit.

    The vet told us we need to make sure he gets 225ml of water each day and we will build up to a can and a half of food per day (approximately 210ml) for a total of 435ml per day. This is why we are having to feed him so many times. The vet said to increase the ml by 5ml every 2 days for now, so eventually we will be able to drop down to just 5 feedings or so…I’m really looking forward to that point, but I’ll do whatever I need to to give him a chance.

    Thanks for detailing your experience.

    Comment by DB | August 10, 2008 | Reply

  15. We took Mawell to the vet yesterday. Everything is almost back to normal. We were instructed to leave the tube in for at least one more week to make sure he is getting his daily caloric intake. He has gained 1 pound since he got sick! We were so happy. He is beginning to play and stay awake more. It makes it a little more difficult to feed him but we are just happy that he is gaining more energy. He is almost back to his old self.
    Thanks again to everyone who shared their story!

    Comment by Maxwell | August 10, 2008 | Reply

  16. One question for everyone else. Does your cat wheez a little bit when breating at times with the tube in place? My cat does. He also seems to snore pretty much all night now, when he used to snore about 1/4 the time.

    My wife thinks the wrap is too tight, but I am thinking it is just the tube produceing the wheezing/snoring. He also gets hickups (I guess as this is the closest sound to describe it) usually just one at a time and he’ll do this 4 or 6 or 7 times a day. Anyone elses cat do this?

    My cat also loves me to run my finger around the edges of the bandage around his neck. He starts purring instantly. I’m sure its go to be really itchy and he can’t get under it too much himself…which is of course a good thing.

    Comment by DB | August 11, 2008 | Reply

  17. DB, the wheezing might be something to bring up with the vet, just to be sure. When Eddie had his tube in, I was calling or e-mailing our vet about every other day with progress reports and questions, and she gave me the impression that they expect a lot of contact from tube-feeders. In a way, this is an extension of their hospital care.

    When his tube was in place, Eddie didn’t wheeze, but he smacked his lips a lot and snored more than usual. Our vet thought it was related to the tube being in his throat, but she wasn’t alarmed by it. Still, you might want to ask just to make sure. We had the wrapping replaced a couple of times because Eddie scratched at it, usually on the opposite side from the tube. I did the same thing you did with running my finger along the edges, and he really liked that.

    I don’t know if you saw my updates; I think there were 3 posts with new pictures of Eddie. On 8/9 I put up a couple of pictures of him now that we’re 3 weeks out from the tube removal. He’s no longer got bald spots, but his fur is coming in gray where he was shaved, except for a dark black spot where the tube had gone in.

    Good luck with your cat, and thanks for the updates. I think it helps to have the various experiences reported. About half my blog hits these days go to the tube-feeding posts, so people are presumably getting something out of all this.

    And to Maxwell’s owner, it’s great to read that he’s doing so well!

    Comment by esheley | August 11, 2008 | Reply

  18. I can’t say enough how great it is to talk to others who are experiencing the same thing as I am with Maxwell right now. I don’t have any children as of now and my cats are everything to me. They always will be.
    Eddie does look great! I’m so glad to hear that he is doing so well. Discoloration and bald spots are no big deal when you have your little cat home and happy, right?
    For DB, I noticed my cat snoring as well. He used to snore a little before the tube was in place, this was due to his weight. Now that the tube has been in (9 days today) he seems to snore even louder. I do not notice a wheezing sound but I do notice a sort of bubbly sound. I think that air gets into the tube and this is what causes the sound. I thought the wrap was little tight as well so I loosened it some. The snore was still there. He seems to breath louder to.
    My vet is not alarmed by it. All cats react differently. As long as the cat is acting normal and does not appear to be having any trouble breathing, there is nothing to be worried about but I’m no vet. Sometimes I wish I were:) I would call my vet for piece of mind. It is always better to be safe than sorry.
    One thing I did want to know from anyone out there who has more than one cat. How did the others react when you brought the sick kitty home? My cats were best buds before Maxwell got sick. He was in the hospital for 4 days before we brought him home. He’s been home for 6 days now and my other cat hates him. Maxwell tries to go up to him and play but the other does not have it. He hisses at him, he lashes out at him, and he’s stopped using his litter box. I had to go and buy a new one just for him. He acts like I brought a brand new cat home. They have lived together for 6 years. I don’t understand what’s going on with him.
    Any advice?
    Thanks!

    Comment by Maxwell | August 11, 2008 | Reply

  19. The vet has reassured me the wheezing is okay. We take him in Friday for a rebandaging…seems like forever from now.

    Maxwell, we took the same cat (Murphy) we have 4 (Murphy, Madison, Lucy, Linus) in for a broken nail one time. When we brought him back Madison was hissing at him and not being very friendly. This wore off in a couple days though. You might try rubbing one cat with a towel and then the other and vice versa. Seems like ours are always more friendly in the winter when it’s cold. We have had no issues with the current feeding tube and the other cats. They sniff Murphy, but they are getting along fine.

    Glad to hear Eddie is doing well. I hope others and myself are in the same boat soon.

    Comment by DB | August 11, 2008 | Reply

  20. Thank you so much for this. Our 9 yr old Birman has been diagnosed after biopsy and endocopy with IBD. He was in the hospital for a week post, and has not turned the corner. Despite this, we brought him home, and found our regular vet has no experience with feed tubes. So I found you. Thank you for being reassuring. I was quite frightened, but I hope will get used to feeding him. We are not sure if he will progress to health, but we want to give the meds a chance. He is really ill, barely mobile and had bilirubin levels that were starting to elevate when we brought him home. Wish us luck with the feed tube, and for his return to health,it seems so unlikely, but it is great to hear about cats who have bounced back.

    Comment by Anita Conte | August 23, 2008 | Reply

  21. Hello. It has been really helpful reading this. I had a feeding tube put into Meeshka 2 weeks ago. I am giving her 50mls per feeding (we had to work up to this)4 times a day. She has vomited a few times when we were bumping up, but for the most part has held things down. A few things have really got me wondering…

    1. She is still very yellow. Are any of you still experiencing that after treatment has begun? She also seems to not want to poop. It’s in there, just not coming out.

    2. She is still VERY lazy. She will come out for short periods of time and then goes back to the closet. The only time she seems to really be herself is when I let her role on the patio.

    I guess I am just feeling really confused. She will do one thing that makes me worry and then two that make me think she is improving.

    She shows interest and excitement about wet food (with the other cats) and then licks a couple times and leaves.

    I just want her back so badly. I have thought about a house without her and it kills me.

    Please let me know if you guys are experiencing any of this stuff…I didn’t see many comments on the yellowish skin.

    Comment by Meeshka's Mommy | August 26, 2008 | Reply

  22. I hope you can get Meeshka back on her feet!

    As for the yellow skin, Eddie is a black cat and when they shaved him, his skin was sort of a medium gray. I didn’t see a yellow cast to it, but our vet spoke of him being yellowish. I don’t know what body part she was looking at, though.

    As for the one worrisome thing and two encouraging things, yeah, we went through that, too. If you have a cat who needs tube-feeding, you have a very sick cat. In many ways, this is an extension of hospital care. So they’re not going to bounce back all that quickly. Eddie spent a lot of time sleeping under a living room chair or in his cat carrier. He’s back to his old self now, but it took a long time.

    Eddie also did the same thing with licking his food, by the way. I’d put out a can and he’d lick all the liquid off of it and walk off.

    Once our vet decided he was ready to transition to real food, we ended up using an appetite stimulant to encourage him to eat more. I kept the tube-fed amount about the same, for moderate weight gain, then once he began eating, I decreased the amount so that he’d eat more on his own. This was all part of Dr. Carter’s plan, by the way.

    That was about 2 weeks into the home tube feeding. Eddie had been on the tube a few days at the vet hospital. It was another week or 10 days before we pulled the tube. We’d talked about leaving it in an additional 2 weeks.

    My impression is that vets don’t want to get false hopes up, so the fact that Meeshka’s vet gave her a tube means this is likely to work. But it’s hard for us humans.

    Anyway, good luck with it!

    Comment by esheley | August 26, 2008 | Reply

  23. Hi again, I’m getting ver discouraged about our cat ever eating again. He is on 7 meds for IBD, barely mobile. Prednisone etc. They installed the e-tube incorrectly so he had to endure a second placement. He has endema on his front paws from IV placement too tight. He is slightly mobile, but so weak that he can’t walk far. He has lost fur on both sides and so much weight. He has shown incremental slight improvements from when we took him home (he was not progressing at the ER)I don’t know how long I can do this, and what if his treatment time ends (2 weeks) and he has no interest in food? How long is reasonable/humane and respective of toll this takes on owners as well? Pleae help.

    Comment by Anita | August 26, 2008 | Reply

  24. Anita, what is your vet saying? And do you trust this vet? How do you feel about checking in with another vet?

    I really hope your cat makes it, but if he doesn’t, you know you FOUGHT for him. You won’t have any questions about whether or not you did everything you could. You absolutely, without question, know that you did.

    Unfortunately, we are not gods, and we have limits. With tube-feeding at home, we’re going right up to our limits. Most of us can’t go beyond that. So when it doesn’t work, it’s extremely sad, but you can’t question yourself.

    When my very first cat, Rabbit, died, Dr. Carter sent me a card with something about how it’s honorable and brave to love a being whose lifespan is shorter than our own, because we know we’re going to be hurt at some point. That’s important to remember. We also do a lot more for our pets than we give ourselves credit for.

    Anyway, I don’t know how to determine for someone else’s cat when they should keep going and when they’ve done enough. But you’ve done as much as you possibly could, so however this turns out, I hope you take some comfort in that.

    Also, tube-feeding can be a discouraging process. It’s hard and it takes a long time for them to recover, and they don’t all recover. So please don’t make any quick decisions when you’re discouraged. You’ll know when you know.

    Good luck, and I hope you’re able to come back soon and say your cat is healthy and happy again. If not, you left nothing undone.

    Comment by esheley | August 26, 2008 | Reply

  25. Murphy got his tube out last Monday. He got the bandage off his neck Friday. His is losing a lot of his hair around his neck, but the vet said to expect this.

    Murph’s ears are what looked yellow to the vet and us. They now look pink. He is eating dry Z/D on his own and is slowly gaining weight (went from 8.8 to 9.1 at his last weigh-in). Litter box functions have returned to normal. He is still very lazy and isn’t doing a whole lot, but we can see the “old Murphy” coming through at times.

    We still don’t know if he is going to pull through yet, but things do look more positive than negative at this point, which I couldn’t say a few weeks ago.

    Once again, good luck to all who have posted here.

    Comment by DB | August 30, 2008 | Reply

  26. DB, it sounds like Murphy is going along on the same path as Eddie. He slept more than normal for a while, and his neck hair was very slow to come back in. When it did start to grow back, it was gray instead of black, and it grew fast. Same with his belly hair, where they shaved him for some testing.

    Anyway, it sounds like things are going well for you. One of the stressful aspects is that it does take weeks to know how they’ll do. But Murphy’s weight gain sounds like a very positive sign!

    Comment by esheley | August 31, 2008 | Reply

  27. Did Eddie throw up about once a day after the tube was removed? Murphy seems to do this. There is little food in the vomit and a lot of hair, so I assume the hair comming off his neck is the catalyst for the vomiting. I am trying to brush his neck, but the brush doesn’t really pull the hair out like Murphy does when he licks/bites it.

    I have been sleeping with Murphy every night. Last night he was very active all night and I got little sleep, which is great as this is more like his normal behaviour.

    Also, how long did it take Eddie’s neck to heal from where the tube was inserted? Murphy has been scrathing the area every day and while his is not getting down deep, it is normal that he causes a little surface bleeding in a few small spots each day. I am assuming this will take a couple weeks to heal.

    Comment by DB | September 3, 2008 | Reply

  28. Hi, DB — Sorry I couldn’t get back to you right away.

    Eddie threw up a only few times after his tube was removed, but he’s the least barfy cat I’ve ever owned, so the fact that he threw up at all was noteworthy. I have some medication from the vet to settle his digestive system, and I give it to him as needed.

    Also, he didn’t scratch at his neck very much, so it healed pretty quickly. He scratched at the other side of his neck, which made no sense to me.

    These might be things to bring up with your vet. Murphy has been through a physical trauma, so these are minor issues in comparison, but your vet might have some advice.

    And I’m so glad to read that he’s behaving normally. It sounds like he’s 99% of the way to being completely healthy again. It’s great that he’s able to reward all your effort and expense by bouncing back. Not every cat pulls through. I hope you have many more years together.

    Comment by esheley | September 5, 2008 | Reply

  29. The vet just called and said our cat is deteriorating. Her blood pressure has bottomed out and she’s not breathing right. On top of this, she’s very jaundiced, though they have yet to figure out exactly what the problem is: it’s either something with her pancreas, her gallbladder, or her liver. If it is her liver, then a feeding tube will be necessary. Thank you for the information. If a feeding tube is the way we go, then I’ll feel prepared to do it. I’m just hoping at this point she survives. She’s only four years old and all of us, including my 11 year old, will be heart broken, if she doesn’t.

    Comment by Mary | September 9, 2008 | Reply

  30. It is so comforting to know I’m not the only one going through this! My cat “Borsia” Has had the e-tube now for one full day. I fed her this morning and she just vomited everything back up about a half hour later. It was so discouraging. I left the house for a little while and she had a small bowel movement in her box. Something made it through!!! That made me feel a little better. She had not ate in a full week, only IV fluids and the little bits I had forced fed her before the tube was placed. Being in the nursing field, I know the importance of going slow with tube feedings and getting the air out, so I was careful to do this. (This is important with humans as well) But when she vomited, I just began to cry. My heart will be broken if she does not recover and so will my 3 year old. I understand your pain Mary.

    Comment by Lisa Avaritt | September 21, 2008 | Reply

  31. Good luck with Borsia, Lisa. Eddie also vomited the first night I tube-fed him, and I was completely distraught. That happened a couple more times, and we ended up putting him on something to settle his stomach. That’s something you might bring up with your vet if Boria vomits again. Anyway, let us know how it goes.

    Comment by esheley | September 22, 2008 | Reply

  32. Hi there
    I came across your website via google. Great website and so encouraging about Eddie! I adopted my cat Cody, a 9yr old male at shelter in Aug of 2008. He left with a clean bill of health. About 2.5-3 weeks into living with my family (husband, 5 yr old and a 16 yr cranky female cat) Cody quickly went from 11.5 to 9 lbs and dwinlding. I took him to the vet, he had an ultrasound and bloodwork. Everything was fine except his bilirubin levels were 1.6. The vet condluded that he has hepatic lipidosis. So he recommended a feeding tube. I had him home for the 1st time and he immediately vomited up everything the DR had fed him earlier. So he was been under the Dr’s care over the weekend. I am picking him up tonight. I am a little concered as I have to work 11 hour days with nobody to help while I am away. I can certainly feed him the a.m. and p.m. when I get home but dont want to overload his stomach wiht feedings between every hour. Any suggestions or comfort is greatly appreciated.
    Thank you.

    Comment by suzanne | October 6, 2008 | Reply

  33. I also came across this site via Google. My cat stopped eating, either due to stress or a liver infection and after one very bad attempt at syringe feeding I decided to have the tube put in. Your experience helped me make the decision so thank you for putting it out there. Today was Max’s first full day with the tube. I administered 4 feedings. He threw up after the second one, I think because I went too fast. The next two I made sure to go much more slowly. He’s still pretty disgruntled about all this but I hope once the food gets into his system again he will perk up.

    Thank you again for writing about your experience. I was also hesitant about the feeding tube but reading up on it has made me feel it was the right decision for Max.

    Comment by Cold Salt | November 14, 2008 | Reply

  34. My cat Simone is 17. He has IBD and is down to 5 lbs. We has his feeding tube inserted Thursday, and started his feedings & medications yesterday. He is on Prednisolone for the IBD, plus 2 other medications for the pockets of gum infection in his mouth, and the kidney disease that the vet found. He has not shown any improvement, and the feedings seem to make him feel horrible, although he has not thrown up. I am going as slowly as I can. How did your cat respond to feedings at first? When he walks, he stumbles and seems disoriented. I will do whatever I can to make the feedings easier for him.

    Comment by Tasha | November 15, 2008 | Reply

  35. I’m sorry Simone isn’t bouncing back. It will take him a while to feel better, because any cat who needs a feeding tube is pretty sick to begin with. So it might be that he’s just taking a few days before he improves. Eddie didn’t bounce back right away, either.

    Maybe you should call the vet first thing Monday morning. It might be that the feeding amount or frequency needs to be changed, or there might be another issue here. Or it might be normal for what Simone has. The vet will probably have some ideas.

    Good luck!

    Comment by esheley | November 16, 2008 | Reply

  36. My cat has renal failure and will not eat. My cat has recently just stopped eating. She has been without food for 4 or 5 days. 5 days ago she seemed so healthy and happy.

    I hope that you can provide some advice.

    I want to save her life for as long as I can. I think she can live longer with Sub Q fluids, but my cat has given up and wont eat. I want her to live longer. I do not want her to starve, but she wont eat. I cant even really force feed her what hse needs. Also, she tries to drink a little water and she has a hard time. Is a feeding tube a good option?

    Comment by Frank | November 22, 2008 | Reply

  37. I’m so sorry to read about your cat. I think the person you need to discuss this with is your vet. He or she would have to insert the feeding tube anyway, and would be able to tell you if it is the best option.

    Good luck with this. I know it’s a difficult time, and I hope it works out for you.

    Comment by esheley | November 22, 2008 | Reply

  38. hello everyone…i came across this site as i’ve been obsessively searching and reading any info that would help me with my dear cat “mama”…. like most of the posts i’ve been reading here, mama has been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, and although she has not been positively diagnosed with hepatic lipidosis, she is does show signs of jaundice, as well as weight loss and non-appetite. i’ve been in and out of the vet over the past month since her syptoms began to arise, and can’t say how overwhelmed, stressed and heartbroken i’ve been. mama has been seen by 2 vets (her normal vet, as well as a dr. from the ASPCA where she was brought for ultrasound and supportive care treatment). at the moment i’ve been assist feeding mama, but after a visit with her vet this afternoon, she’s still not receiving adequate caloric intake and is unable put weight on. i’m waiting to hear back of the results of her thyroid tests on monday, but it seems that i will have to resort to putting mama on a feeding tube. of course, as a pet owner, it’s hard for me to see my pet in any discomfort, and i’ve been a bit reluctant about the idea of having a feeding tube put in her. but as i’m reading your stories, i’m realizing that this is in fact the best i can do for her right now. of course there’s always the risk that she her body will reject the tube, but i also worry about her being stressed or depressed. unfortunately because i work full days during the week, i’m unable to be with her and it kills me to know that she’ll be sitting home alone with this foreign object in her neck. does anyone have any advice on how to relieve this stress – not only for the cat, but for owners as well?
    i took mama in as a stray about 10years ago (she’s approximately 12 yrs old)…and i love her dearly and want only what’s best for her…any thoughts and advice are welcome – and again, i’m greatful for finding you!

    Comment by minna | November 29, 2008 | Reply

  39. Hi, Minna–

    Please don’t worry about Mama being in discomfort from the tube — Eddie barely knew it was there. Take a look at the picture of him sleeping above. He’s sleeping on the tube. We also didn’t have a problem with his body rejecting it. I know and understand why you’re worried, and there’s a lot to be worried about, but this isn’t part of it. She’ll sleep while you’re at work, same as she normally does. Please don’t worry about her being uncomfortable.

    What we did that worked pretty well was to go back to the vet once a week to change his dressing and the wrapping that held the tube in place. That gave our vet a chance to look at where the tube entered the skin and make sure it wasn’t infected or anything. It never was, and it was reassuring to have that confirmed periodically. Eddie also scratched at the wrapping on the opposite side from where the tube entered his neck, and I felt better knowing he had a fresh wrap every week.

    Doing this isn’t easy, but it isn’t that hard. It will be somewhat stressful at first, but within a few days you’ll be used to it and so will your cat. I found myself ordering in meals more instead of cooking as much as I normally do, because it does take a chunk of time to do this each day. But the main reward is that I still have my cat 5 months later, and he’s in here meowing at me to give him a treat.

    Good luck! And please stop by with any additional questions, or just to vent, or whatever. I’m online a lot, and other people stop by and read this blog, too.

    Comment by esheley | November 29, 2008 | Reply

  40. thank you so much eshley!…it’s so good to know that there are so many wonderful “cat people” out there…it’s so easy to feel up against a wall especially when i’m faced to make these kinds of decisions on my own. i know that mama knows that i’m trying to take care of her – she comes to sleep on my chest every night, despite the pills and syringes of food i have to give her….i will patiently wait for the vet to call me back on monday, hoping at least that she’s reacting well to her thyroid medication.

    btw – would you know what the ballpark range it would cost to have an e-tube placed? i’ve gotten a few quotes from different sources, but am wondering if you have any insight.

    Comment by minna | November 29, 2008 | Reply

  41. Because he almost died, I spent an obscene amount of money having Eddie in the veterinary ICU for a week, and it was during that time that they inserted the tube, so even though the bill detailed everything they did for him, I don’t remember the cost of anything in particular. I just looked over the bill, asked a couple of questions, and wrote a check.

    Comment by esheley | November 29, 2008 | Reply

  42. hi elizabeth – just an update on mama: over the weekend i was assist-feeding her the Hill’s A/D food which the vet sent me home with. i was pretty diligent in feeding mama every 4 hours or so, and when i got home in the evening i noticed that she’d eaten a bit of the dry food that was in her bowl. last night before her last feeding, mama walked over to her bowl and ate more food on her own!…it was such a happy moment for me to see her crunching away! of course, i continued to give her the A/D, even prior to going to work this morning as well as when i got home from work this evening.
    today i received results from the vet (after saturday’s visit) that her T4 levels have gone down (good news!), however they’ve gone down a bit too much, so this now bumps mama into HYPOthyroidism (not-so-good news). the dr. explains that this may also cause to her to not want to eat as much, so i’ve been advised to reduce the dosage on her thyroid medication (methimazole)hoping that we can get that stabilized. in the meantime, i’m keeping a close eye on mama and will continue with the syringe feedings for the next few days, and hopefully she’ll continue to increase the amount of food that she eats on her own.
    of course it’s too soon to dismiss the possibility of her needing a feeding tube, but it’s very encouraging to know that she is reacting much better to food – we’ve even managed to have a nice little routine when it’s time for her assist-feedings!
    i’m staying hopeful, and i thank you for your support!

    Comment by minna | December 1, 2008 | Reply

  43. Hi. I can’t thank you enough for posting your experience. We just did our first tube feeding on our 2 year old cat, Sheba, who was just diagnosed with Hepatic Lipodosis (fatty liver). She did so good, and did not move through the entire process. I just have a question. We were told to give her 250mg of L-Carnitine via the tube, as well as 1/4 of a tab of Pepcid once a day. I see you have the mortor and pestle for pills, but how do you push them through? Do you mix them with water, or put them in the food. I’m just afraid to administer the pills with the food, in case she vomits, I don’t want the medication to come up with the food. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!!!

    Comment by Tara | December 8, 2008 | Reply

  44. Hi, Tara! I’m glad your first tube-feeding experience went well. Sheba must be a wonderful cat to be so compliant the first time.
    I would call and ask your vet how to get the medication into her. And that would be a time to ask what to do if she vomits.
    We gave Eddie Pepcid and a few other medications mixed into his food. If your vet tells you to do that, I do have a trick.
    I found it easier to put the ground up medication — which I ground to a dust — into a small cup and mix a tablespoon of the food into that. You know how the last couple of cc’s of food stay in the tip of the syringe after the feeding? To avoid having medication in that part, I’d put a few cc’s of food without medication in the syringe, then get the medicated food from the cup. That way the food with the medication would go into his tube first.
    That probably sounds more complicated than it is, but you’ll see when you try it.
    Good luck!

    Comment by esheley | December 8, 2008 | Reply

  45. It is so great to read all of these comments. I adopted my brothers 2 year old cat because he was moving into a house with dogs. Before I could adopt her, Kammi was living with my parents and their two big boy cats. In the holiday rush, no one noticed that she had stopped eating. When we brought her home and took her in for a routine checkup the vet pointed out how yellow she was. We had $400 in tests run and found out that she had fatty liver disease brought on by the stress of the other cats. We tried feeding her for a week… she would nibble at kitten food when we coaxed her. We thought we were making so much progress until we went in for another visit with the vet. Her toxic levels had risen and she had become more yellow (jaundiced). Yesterday was the worst day I can remember in a long time. The vet gave us our options – which included emergency hospitalization at a cost of around $4000, waiting until the regular vet opened and only having business hour care at the cost of $2-3000 or home feeding which only gave her a 5% chance of survival. Our very wonderful vet saw how much we wanted to save Kammi and is allowing her to remain hospitalized free of charge!! We had to pay for the tube surgery ($700) plus all food and meds. It was so hard dropping her off this morning – so scared and confused. Surgery went well and I look forward to getting her back in a few days… I work freelance and so my schedule is all over the place. How are you coping with feedings while working? We are thinking about reversing the schedule and feeding her at night. Any experiences? Thank you so much.

    Comment by Lindsey | January 5, 2009 | Reply

  46. Hi Lindsey. First I would like to say…. DON’T EVER CHANGE VETS. That was very generous of your vet, and I can tell you from experience, it has cost us a fortune between the emergency care, the tube surgery, biopsies, and follow up blood work. We are currently up to about $3,200 in treatment of fatty liver disease. In regards to your question about feedings on a busy schedule, I would just like to share this. My husband works 12 hour days, 6 days a week, and I work about 10 hours a day, 5 days a week. We were told Sheba would need (4) 50cc feedings per day. This had us very worried, and I can tell you it will definately dictate your schedule for quite some time, but you can make it work. We leave the house at 7am, and I don’t get home until 5pm. So… I would get up at 5:30, prepare a feeding. Her first feeding was at 6am. Her second feeding was at 5pm when I got home. We fed her again at 10pm, then woke up in the middle of the night and fed her at 2am. So she was getting fed about every 4 hours except during the day. This lasted for about 2 weeks. Her levels started coming down, and we noticed she was picking at her food a bit, so we dropped one feeding. (the 2am one). She had her blood checked every 7-10 days, and after each test we dropped a feeding because she was doing so well. It is now 3 weeks later and she is completely eating on her own. She has what I’m hoping is her final bloodwork appt on Thursday, and hopefully the tube is coming out this weekend!! I can tell you it is exhausting, but it will be worth it in the end. Just hang in there… you’ll do fine!

    Comment by Tara | January 13, 2009 | Reply

  47. Thanks for your response, Tara! Kammi spent 6 days in the hospital, and began eating pretty much right away. When we went to pick her up last Saturday, no one wanted to let her go! We are just finishing up Week 1 of home tube feeding, and it is going really well. She actually seems to prefer to eat while we are tube feeding her. The only had part, is giving her her medicine, which has to be on an empty stomach and she can’t eat for an hour after – which means getting up at 5am and hiding all the food (painful to tell an anorexic cat she can’t eat). I hope all goes well for your kitty, sounds like you are so close – I can’t wait until this is all over, but I have to say it is a pretty amazing bonding experience.

    Comment by Lindsey | January 17, 2009 | Reply

  48. Hi,

    I just wanted to thank you for this site. My cat Spike was diagnosed with a severe acute case of pancreatitis mid Decemeber and just had his tube removed today. He is almost fully recovered. (Knock on wood!)While the vet showed me how to do everything before I took him home with the tube, this site really broke it down and provided info he didn’t think to give me. I now feel like a e-tube pro! Thanks again!
    Kelli

    Comment by Kelli | January 23, 2009 | Reply

  49. I’m glad Eddie and I could help, and I’m glad Spike is doing well now. I hope he lives a nice long life with you.

    Comment by esheley | January 23, 2009 | Reply

  50. Hello, my cat’s been on a feeding tube for two weeks now. Now that he has some energy back, he refuses to be still while I am injecting his food. I used to be able to just come up to him wherever he was laying and he would stay there, but now he gets up and walks away. If I try to hold on to him, he struggles very emphatically. Did you have any tricks to get your cat to cooperate? I have no hope of getting his tube out any time soon — he has no interest in eating on his own. Thanks!

    Anna

    Comment by Anna | February 13, 2009 | Reply

  51. It sounds like things are going reasonably well if he’s getting his energy back and becoming feisty. When we wanted Eddie to start eating more on his own, we introduced an appetite stimulant into his “mix” — I ground it up with his other meds and blended it into his food. But this is something you’d have to discuss with the vet.

    As far as getting your cat to cooperate, I don’t have any ideas, because I didn’t have that problem. Eddie liked the undivided attention and the full stomach, so he didn’t squirm after the first couple of days.

    I do get a fair number of people coming here to look at this topic, so maybe someone else will have an idea. It also might be another topic to bring up with your vet. I don’t know if Dr. Pierson, whose page I link to in the original post, will be able to help, but she’s a potential resource, too.

    Good luck!

    Comment by esheley | February 13, 2009 | Reply

  52. Kammi had her feeding tube pulled out today! 8 weeks. Coming into this I never would have thought it would have gone by so fast. You really can learn to adjust you life around it much easier than you think. I found that the morning dose of medicine was the worst because she couldn’t eat for an hour after and that was when she wanted to eat the most. Don’t be discouraged by how long this can take – Kammi was on the tube for 8 weeks and she was on course the whole time.
    Within a couple days of the tube insertion, Kammi regained some appetite so the techs at the hospital would tube feed her while she ate. It became a habit that stuck so we always tried to tube feed her while she actually ate. As soon as she was done eating she would get fiesty so we would have to cuddle her to get to the end of the tube feeding. Towards the end I could just say “Come on Kam” and show her the syringes and she would run to her food bowl.
    To any one out there thinking tube feeding will be too much – it wont. It can save you cat’s life and will be over before you know it. It will be an adjustment and a pain, but at the end your cat will know all that you did to save their life and it is all worth it.
    Best of luck!

    Comment by Lindsey | February 15, 2009 | Reply

  53. Eight weeks — wow! I’m so glad Kammi came through it, and thanks for adding the testimonial. You did a wonderful thing for your cat.

    Comment by esheley | February 15, 2009 | Reply

  54. I just wanted to say how helpful this site was when my cat Delilah had FLD. She had it from Sept 10th until Oct 28th when we took out the feeding tube. This site was extremely helpful and gave me much hope. Delilah is doing fine and well! I just want to let people know tube feeding your cat can be a real pain especially with a cat like mine. She is not a typical cuddle and hug cat. She fought me tooth and nail when getting fed, and it took two of us to do it. Don’t get down when it seems like they are not making progress, all it might take is a change of food or medicine. Thanks so much Elizabeth for answering all my emails and questions back in the fall!

    Comment by Heather T | February 24, 2009 | Reply

  55. Hi everyone. Thank you so much for posting. I am on Day 3 of having my 5-year-old cat home from spending 4 days in the veterinary hospital. She has an e-tube for hepatic lipidosis. The prognosis is guessy. Her bilirubin level was over 10, she’d lost 2 pounds, but all other labs were good and her energy was good when tube was placed. She’s since gone downhill for a few days–hungover from anesthesia and nauseated by the feedings–then today seemed to perk up some. She’s on Denosyl for her liver and Cisopride for nausea, and 520 ccs of Hill’s L/D slurry a day. 520! We’re supposed to be jamming 130 cc’s into her every six hours. We’re finding it easier to split it down further, into five feedings of 105 cc’s, but she still is vomiting once every night. Still, that’s four out of five feedings staying down, so I’m trying to be encouraged.

    The idea of 30 cc’s in four feedings sounds like heaven. I wonder if I should discuss other food with my vet? This situation involves a lot of water (a can of L/D blended with half a can of water, plus all the tube flushing after meds and feedings), so my cat’s peeing a lot. Seems like a lot of liquid. Anyone have any insight?

    I can totally relate to the poster who questioned how humane this is. I feel like we could manage to keep this going as long as there’s improvement. But to indefinitely tube-feed my poor nauseated cat? No. It’s not the feeding tube that bothers me; it’s the nausea.

    Comment by anne | May 5, 2009 | Reply

    • Hi, Anne–

      Usually, the vets have specific foods for specific ailments, but it’s probably a good idea to ask why your cat is getting one food and not the other, so the vet will explain it to you. Sometimes, they make the decision based on their experience, and they might try something else if you mention that your cat is peeing a lot.

      Also, ask if there’s a medication for the nausea. We gave Eddie something to settle his stomach the entire time he was being tube-fed and for about a week afterwards. I’ve always got some of that medication on hand, though I haven’t used it since late last summer.

      As for whether or not it’s humane, I don’t think you can do this indefinitely, but people do tube-feed their pets for 3-6 weeks and then the pets go on to have a natural life span where they’re healthy. If you were to look at Eddie today, for example, you’d never know there had been anything wrong with him. You said your cat is 5. There are medications for the nausea, as I mentioned, and if you get her through this with the tube-feeding, she could live another 10+ years in good health. So if the nausea is what’s disturbing you, that should be easy enough for the vet to address.

      You may also need to make sure you’re not getting air into the tube, because that will upset their stomachs and make them vomit. When I tube-fed Eddie, I got air in his tube several times. Anyway, it sounds like you’re doing well so far — good luck, and let me know how it works out.

      Comment by esheley | May 5, 2009 | Reply

  56. Hi Anne,

    That is a lot of food per day, especially if your cat just started on the tube. When our cat had HL we started out with doses of 12cc every 2 hours, then 30 every 4 hours, eventually increasing to 90cc three times a day. And doses of water on top of that. We only used 5cc to flush the tube, and administered the larger doses of water in between feedings, not at the same time as the feeding. You have to gradually work up to the high amounts or your cat’s stomach can’t handle it. That is why he is vomiting. A cat’s stomach can only hold about 3 ounces (90cc). And it takes a few hours to digest. Your cat should not be vomiting. If he is, he is getting too much into his stomach. The tube could be forced back out by the vomiting, which is very bad.

    We had trouble with vomiting too. What it basically comes down to is this: tube feeding is an art, not a science. Some cats may have larger or smaller stomachs than others, and different tolerance levels for the feeling of a very full stomach. You have to adjust and readjust your feeding schedules and amounts until you find the combination that works for your cat. The vet makes it sound like you can just follow their directions exactly and everything will be perfect (ours did too), but unfortunately that’s just not the case.

    The problem may be the amount of water you are adding to the food. You might want to cut back on the amount of water in the food. That way he can get the same nutrition in fewer cc’s. Our cat also peed a lot, but that’s not a cause for concern. They need to stay very well hydrated in order to recover. All the water helps to carry away everything that the liver is trying to get rid of. We only added 8-16 ccs of water to one can of the Hills A/D. It was more difficult to push through the syringe at that thickness, but it was easier to get our cat the calories he needed, which was of course the top concern. We found the larger, 30cc syringes were easier to plunge than the smaller ones.

    I know how you feel about feeding via tube indefinitely. Tube feeding is a hard and disheartening thing to do. Our cat did not like the sensation of tube feeding, and it was a struggle to get him to stay still through feedings initially. After about a week he figured out that he felt better after the feedings, and when I came with all the syringes in hand he just laid in my lap and let me do it. I always offered him some tuna or wet food before a feeding. When he started feeling good he started eating solid food on his own, and I would reduce the amount I fed him from the tube based on how much he ate of real food. Before I knew it I was taking him to the vet to get the tube out. Right now his bald spots from all the surgery are just about grown back in.

    So, just hang in there! If you decide to reduce the amount of your feedings, don’t worry that he is not getting enough nutrition. My cat was much worse off than yours when he got his tube, and he lived on 48 cc a day for 3 days. It is more important to acclimatize him to the tube feedings in the beginning, so that you can administer full meals later.

    Good luck, it will be worth it!

    If you (or anyone else) wants to ask me questions or just commiserate, you can email me at a . h. bruen @ gmail . com (take out the spaces)

    Comment by Anna | May 5, 2009 | Reply

    • Thanks for the replies. Yeah, I’ve figured out that she cannot handle the volume. Also, nighttime is not the time to be feeding her. It’s as though her body comes alive then–it’s when she vomits, and she poops two or three times. Where during the day, she handles the feedings pretty well and poops maybe once all day.

      The vet did start her out slowly, and over the course of four days worked her up to 130 ccs every six hours. But the day we took her home was the first day they’d gotten her up to 130 per feeding, and she had vomited for the first time that morning. So they released her with a history of successful tube-feeding, except for that one experience–they assumed the tech had gone too fast.

      My hunch is that she’s getting overfull over the course of the day and when her digestive system cranks up at night, she’s losing it. I think she needs the calories, but not the cc’s. I got 130 into her this morning and she seemed to hold it down, but when I tried to top her off a few hours later, she started salivating and gulping like she was going to vomit, so I backed off. We’ll give her another feeding at 4, then I’m thinking of adding a dose of nutri-cal/water midway between her 4 and 10 p.m. feedings, then calling it quits for the night. I’ll also try less water in the slurry, although that might be problematic with the syringes. We’ve got 35s and 60s–the 35s are easiest to maneuver. But I was getting syringe clogs with a slurry that wasn’t blended enough, so I’m not sure how low I could really go on the water there.

      My cat doesn’t mind the feedings. She settles down in loaf-of-bread position and purrs like crazy. At the night feeding, often she has to get up and poop midway through, and she shakes her head and flings slurry all over the bathroom. So I’ve learned to cap the tube even if we’re just taking a short break!

      Anyone have any insight on whether Nutri-Cal might help solve my problem? What kind of food are you folks with lower-cc feedings using? My vet basically said it didn’t matter WHAT I’m feeding, as long as the calories are going in and staying in. He sent us home with Hill’s L/D (liver diet), but I wonder if there’s a food we could be using that’ll give us more for our caloric buck?

      Comment by anne | May 5, 2009 | Reply

      • Since your vet says it doesn’t matter what you feed your cat, ask about the Iams (or Eukanuba, I forget which) Veterinary Formula Maximum Calorie canned food. That’s for both cats and dogs, it comes in 6 ounce cans, and you don’t have to add water to it because it’s already liquified. My vet says it’s the fastest way to pump calories into a pet, and she and her partners use it whenever they’ve got a situation like this. It worked really well for Eddie. But you have to get it from your vet, because it’s not available from stores (or it wasn’t last year).

        My other suggestion is to ask for a couple of extra syringes. I don’t know why it is, but sometimes one will stick and the other won’t. A sticky syringe can be very frustrating.

        Also, three more things … First, this is an extension of intensive care, so call your vet as much as you want. He’s probably expecting a lot of communication anyway. It sounds like you’re talking to him a lot, I just like to make that point because I get a lot of hits on this particular post.

        Second, we went in every week to get the dressing changed and the tube checked. It felt good to touch base, get the vet’s feedback, and have an official weigh-in. They didn’t charge us for those visits.

        Finally, if the feeding tube seems clogged from something other than too much food, you can unclog it using Coke or Pepsi. I wrote about it somewhere on this blog, but now I can’t find it. Basically, just squirt a few cc’s of Coke or Pepsi into a clogged feeding tube independent of a feeding. Next time you need to feed your cat, the cola should have dissolved the clog and things should flow much more smoothly.

        Good luck!

        Comment by esheley | May 5, 2009

  57. Thank you so much! Right after I last posted, my vet called me to check in and I told him the volume problem and asked him about Max Cal. He had actually recommended Max Cal initially, but they were out of it and my cat was doing so well that they thought she’d be able to handle the volume required of the L/D. He said he had some Max Cal on order and would have it by the end of the week. Buoyed by your post, I called around and found some Max Cal at another vet’s office, then called my guy back and asked him to call them to okay my purchasing it, which he did. Turns out I can now feed my cat 240 cc’s a day instead of 520. Assuming the Max Cal agrees with her, that should be a tremendous help.

    I’ve been changing the dressing and checking the tube–so far no clogs and no problems with the entry point. We go back to the vet this weekend.

    Comment by anne | May 5, 2009 | Reply

  58. More questions . . .

    What’s the best way to transition my cat from tube-feeding to regular eating? She’s eating some, but not enough. Also, I don’t see how she could possibly be very hungry, with all the tube feeding. Her liver numbers look much better, so the vet told me to cut out one feeding in hopes she’d get hungry enough to eat on her own. But we also can’t reduce her caloric intake and start the hepatic lipidosis all over again.

    Meanwhile, my cat is energetic and happy and, perhaps strangely, seems to like the tube feedings. She hasn’t vomited since we started her on the Max Cal and were able to reduce the volume we were pumping in. She comes running when she sees me coming with the syringes, jumps in the bathtub (where I feed her) and assumes the position. She just lies there on her side and purrs like crazy, kneads my legs, stares at me with this weird adoring expression. It’s like it brings up memories of nursing for her. I am glad she’s not finding it to be an awful procedure, but I also don’t want her thinking this is some comfy new way of life.

    Comment by anne | May 11, 2009 | Reply

    • Hi, Anne–

      I was wondering how things were going for you. Your cat sounds adorable! And I’m glad the MaxCal is working.

      The transition can be tricky. My vet specifically mentioned cats that sometimes like the tube-feeding too much and don’t want to go off it. Eddie didn’t get into it quite as much as your cat has, but we used an appetite stimulant to help make him want to eat more on his own.

      There are a couple of appetite stimulants that vets rely on a lot, and my other cat (who was 19 1/2 at the time) had had a bad experience on one of them. So we used Mirtazapine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirtazapine ). You’ll see in the Wikipedia entry that it’s given to cats every 3 days, and that worked for us. What they don’t tell you — and I posted about this elsewhere on this blog, http://esheley.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/eddie-update/ , is that it causes hallucinogenic dreams in people — and strange behavior in cats. It was manageable, but Eddie would wake me up meowing at me as if he wanted to talk.

      We used that for a couple of weeks in conjunction with the feedings, gradually decreasing the amount he was tube-fed. Then we pulled the tube. I was a bit anxious about how he’d react to that, but he ate very well on his own. We kept him on the Mirtazapine for about a week after the tube was removed, then stopped that, too. I still have some just in case his weight drops, but I haven’t had to use it in a while.

      I think the main thing you have to do is monitor your cat and her food intake. The fact that she’s already eating some is a positive. A little chemical boost might get her to eat more.

      Comment by esheley | May 11, 2009 | Reply

  59. We also used mirtazipine, luckily we did not get the strange side effects. :) What I did was to offer my cat one ounce of solid food when it was time for his tube feeding. I got several different varieties of wet and dry food and tried offering different kinds to figure out what he preferred. Then, based on how much of the food he ate on his own, I would not inject the entire dosage of liquified food. Some days he ate all of it, some days he just took a few bites. After a few days I got to where I did not have to administer any more food through the tube, because he was eating enough on his own. I kept the tube in for about a week before having it removed, so that I could be sure he would continue eating steadily on his own.

    Comment by Anna | May 11, 2009 | Reply

  60. Next question: Anyone have any experience with neck wraps? My cat’s feeding tube came out yesterday–on its own. I had just run some Coke in because there seemed to be a clog–this was often the case in the mornings. We were just sitting there waiting for the clog to clear, and she shook her head vigorously and the WHOLE TUBE clattered to the floor. (!) I took her to our local vet (not the one who actually placed the tube) to get the site cleaned and rewrapped, and she’ll see the other vet tomorrow. At that point, we’ll evaluate whether she needs the tube reinserted. I’m hoping she won’t, since she’s mowing through the food pretty well and, by my calculations anyway, is getting enough calories. I’ve had a hard time giving her a pill, though–they gave us an antibiotic–and this neck wrap is driving her crazy. She scratches and it rotates around her neck, the bandaging gets shredded. I rewrapped it this morning and put new Neosporin on the site, and already she’s shredded the new wrap. It seems totally useless to even have it on, except I guess it does prevent her from being able to scratch the tube site directly–which I’m sure is what she wants to do. She’s been scratching at that thing since she got the tube in, and I suspect that’s how the tube got worked loose.

    Right now, she’s wrapped with gauze, with that rubbery broken-arm stuff over the top.

    And giving her a pill: Oh, my. Last night, she was spewing and foaming and growling. If she got half the dose of antibiotic, I’d be surprised.

    Anyway, we’re seeing our vet tomorrow, but in the meantime, I’m open to any insight!

    –Anne

    Comment by anne | May 16, 2009 | Reply

    • Eddie shredded his wrap every week, which was one reason I kept taking him in to get it rewrapped. Oddly, he scratched at the side opposite the site of the tube insertion.

      The insertion site heals amazingly fast, almost overnight. Eddie didn’t scratch at it once the tube was out. My vet used a dab of honey instead of standard medication on the site, because she said it worked just as well and didn’t seem to irritate her patients’ skin. She normally doesn’t go into the holistic side of medicine, so I thought that was telling. In any case, maybe the Neosporin is annoying your cat.

      The good news is she’s eating well and acting like a normal cat, instead of a sad, sick little thing. So this means the tube-feeding worked and you’ve saved her life.

      Unfortunately, acting like a normal cat also includes resisting pills. I don’t have much trouble pilling cats, and what I do is to offer a treat immediately afterwards, so they make the association between medication and treats. That takes several days, but they do figure it out and resist less. Eddie gets Greenies, which are inexpensive and available at most pet stores like PetSmart, etc. The other thing is, I don’t make a big deal of it. I just walk up to the cat with the pill in my right hand, bend over, pull the upper jaw up with my left hand, pull the lower jaw down with a finger of my right hand, and push the pill in as far as possible.

      Two things about pilling a cat: the pill has to be on the center of the tongue because their tongues aren’t mobile like ours are, so if it fall off to the side they have no choice but to spit it out. And second, push the pill as far back as possible to increase the likelihood the cat will swallow the pill.

      I asked Dr. Carter about a possible choking hazard if I pushed the pill back too far, and she said that’s all but impossible. Their epiglottis, the flap that separates the esophagus from the trachea, is pretty stubborn, to the point where inserting a tube through a cat’s mouth is difficult during surgery, for example. I don’t know if I explained that accurately, but the bottom line is that it’s all but impossible to push a pill into a cat’s trachea; it will go into the esophagus like it’s supposed to.

      Anyway, I hope some of this helps. And good luck at the vet appt. tomorrow. Please report back and let us know what happens, okay?

      Comment by esheley | May 16, 2009 | Reply

  61. Thanks, Elizabeth. I just ambushed her with a pill just now and it worked! Your advice helped me be aggressive about shoving it way down in there, in the center. She swallowed it, gave me a resentful look, then I carried her over to the faucet for a drink. Now she’s back at the food bowl . . .

    Yes, I’m almost ready to say that tube-feeding worked. My only reservation is that her blood work was a little wonky last week–low RBCs and high WBCs–and I’m watching her like a hawk to make sure she’s truly eating. She’s always been rather casual about food–just dry cat food, with no interest in treats or wet food or tuna or any of those things that other people’s cats turn inside out for. But she does seem to be eating plenty of dry food.

    The other thing that worries me–and perhaps I’ll just have to accept it–is that we don’t know why she stopped eating in the first place. We don’t know why she got hepatic lipidosis. Her other organ systems checked out okay, there was no obstruction, she responded to tube-feeding . . . maybe I should just count my blessings. But I do wonder why this happened and worry that it could happen again if there’s some underlying problem that no one was able to find.

    By the way, your Eddie looks just like my Betsy. A gorgeous black cat. Every household should have at least one. And am I correct that you’re in Sacramento? Betsy’s 24-hour care and tube-placement was handled by the Bradshaw Veterinary Clinic in Elk Grove–we’ll see those awesome folks tomorrow–and I’ve had drop-in stuff handled by our regular outpatient vet.

    This continues to be such an eye-opening journey, both in terms of veterinary care (it is SO not an exact science and the Internet is your friend!) and the importance of being aggressive–both with treatment of hepatic lipidosis and with asking the hard questions about weighing cost and possible suffering against the reality of the prognosis.

    Comment by anne | May 16, 2009 | Reply

  62. Hi everybody, thanks again for all your advice and insight these past couple weeks. We took Betsy to the vet today and she had gained 3 more ounces since her tube fell out two days ago. The vet removed her neck wrap and said all she needs to do is keep eating and grow that neck hair back. She ran a CBC so we can check on the red blood cells and white blood cells, but she said our cat looks great and that she expects nothing but a full recovery at this point. She gave me an appetite stimulant to help keep Betsy motivated to eat–Betsy is eating, and she’s eating enough, but she needs to be reminded. Eating is not that important to her, it seems, and it needs to be. (She’s more interested in lying in the sun, sparring with her roommate, watching whatever’s going on outdoors, drinking from the faucet, weaving around our ankles.) But Betsy’s up to a good weight (12.3 pounds), has glossy hair again and tons of energy. Two weeks ago tonight, I was sure my cat wouldn’t live through the night. Tube-feeding saved her life. Elizabeth, thank you again for your initial post and to everyone for sharing your stories. This blog has been a wonderful resource.

    Comment by anne | May 18, 2009 | Reply

    • I’m so glad Betsy is going to be on her own now. The appetite stimulant will help her transition from the tube-feeding to eating on her own.

      And thanks for sharing your story here. I think the accumulation of stories is a valuable resource for those who stop by, whether they post or not. Based on my WordPress stats, it looks like I get a lot of lurkers on this thread, so I think there are people other than those who weigh in who are tube-feeding. Since no two cats are alike, it may help to have all the various experiences recorded here.

      Good luck to you and Betsy!

      Comment by esheley | May 18, 2009 | Reply

  63. I just brought my cat home, tube ready. And I just gave him his first feeding. I probably went too fast – 25ccs in about 5 minutes. But he’s holding it down at this point. And hopefully for a couple of hours; until his next feeding. To be honest, the feeding part isn’t frustrating for me; the not knowing what I’m doing – and having a semi-unhelpful vet – is wickedly frustrating. I have to pill him at half-hour intervals for an hour before feeding him, but I think I’ll do alright with it.

    It’s just nice to see there is a lot of information on the internet about the process. And I know I’m not the only one who is having a tough time of it.

    But, Patches is the best cat I’ve ever met. And I’m gonna make it happen for him.

    …now if only he would stop jumping on things while high on pain meds…

    Comment by Bill | May 19, 2009 | Reply

  64. Good luck, Bill — Patches is lucky to have you.

    No matter how much info we get beforehand, I think we all feel like we don’t know what we’re doing at first. And the vets lose control of their patients when we do this, which may be why yours is coming across as less than wonderful.

    It sounds like you’re off to a good start. You probably do need to slow it down a bit. We ground up Eddie’s pills and put them in his food — is that something your vet would let you do?

    Hang in there — I know you’ll do great.

    Comment by esheley | May 19, 2009 | Reply

  65. We also had pills that had to be given on an empty stomach (cisopride and denosyl). I crushed them in a plastic baggie, then mixed them with 6 or so cc’s of water and put them through the feeding tube. Then I ran in a few cc’s of water and waited the requisite 30 minutes before starting the feeding.

    I also would recommend slowing down, if only because I actually saw how small the hole is at the end of the feeding tube. I’d had no idea it was so small, and I continue to be astonished that we were able to get Max Cal slurry through that tube.

    Anyone got any great ideas for enticing a cat to eat more? Betsy’s eating, but she’s apathetic about it. We put her in front of the dish, and she eats, but she doesn’t seek it out on her own. Eating is clearly not a priority for her right now. And it needs to be. We’re getting enough into her, but barely. She only likes dry food, doesn’t care much for cat treats. She’s on an appetite stimulant, but I’m not noticing it’s making much difference. Meanwhile, her liver numbers are good, her red and white counts are fine . . . there’s no discernible reason for her to not want to eat.

    Comment by anne | May 19, 2009 | Reply

    • Anne, if the appetite stimulant isn’t doing much, that’s a call to the vet. There are at least 2 commonly used drugs for that purpose, probably more. At least her stats are good.

      As for why she isn’t interested in eating, she might have memories of food making her nauseous. Or she might like the attention she gets from you when you try to make her eat.

      Comment by esheley | May 20, 2009 | Reply

  66. Hey, Bill, how’s it going with Patches?

    Comment by anne | May 21, 2009 | Reply

  67. Wow – my cat Scratchy looks just like yours. She even has a green wrap around her e-tube! I saw your comments about the hair growing in grey. I thought I heard that somewhere before, so I guess it’s true. I might have to give her another shave to even it out before it all grows back, since they shaved only half hear head. They also went all the way around the legs & her belly. So it will be interesting once it grows back!

    Comment by Christine | September 8, 2009 | Reply

    • I had forgotten about this blog until I got the notification from Christine’s post. Wondering how everyone’s cats are doing. Betsy’s fully recovered from her bout with hepatic lipidosis–tube-feeding saved her life. She’s back to her pre-illness weight (13.5 pounds), plump and glossy black, full neck of hair (which, yes, started out gray and uneven but is now just like it used to be, although it did take about four months to grow in). She’s energetic and happy. We still have no idea what caused her crisis in the first place, but we’re really grateful that she survived. And, oddly, she’s bonded more to me than she used to be. Where before she was a family cat–pretty equally affectionate with us all–now she’s mine. She’s still friendly with everyone else, but she sleeps with me, follows me around, hangs out with me while I’m working on the computer at home. It’s almost like she knows on some level that all that time we spent in the bathtub together last spring is the reason she’s still here today. My husband thinks she’s waiting for me to start tube-feeding her again, because she truly seemed to love it in a way that bordered on weird. She would gaze at me and knead my leg and purr in this crazy tone, like she was stoned.

      Comment by anne | September 8, 2009 | Reply

      • That’s funny, because Scratchy does the same thing. She just stares at me like she’s a crazy stalker or something! She’ll also come and lay down on my chest right in front of my face if I’m laying down and she will start sniffing my lips. Wierdo! She was in the hospital for 10 days and she’s been home for about 2 1/2 weeks. I think she’s really starting to like her feedings, so I’m thinking it might be hard to get her to start eating again… As soon as I walk in with the syringes, she lays on her back with her feet in the air and starts purring.

        She was always the shy sweet kitty, but now she has developed quite a diva attitude. She actually chased my pit bull into the bedroom and then sat in the doorway so she couldn’t get back out. Previously, she would not go near the dogs, even when they were sleeping! So I guess that’s a good sign she is feeling better…

        Comment by Christine | September 8, 2009

  68. Christine, it sounds like Scratchy is doing well, which is great. The hair growing back in is one of the amusing parts of all this.

    Anne, Betsy seems to have imprinted on you in a big way. That is so funny.

    Eddie is doing fine, still. He has a thyroid condition now, but we’re giving him medication through transdermal ear gel, which seems to be working. He’s following me around more, but the other cat died a few days after his tube was removed (she was almost 20), so I don’t know if his attention is due to the bond we developed during tube-feeding or due to the fact that he’s now an only cat and has me all to himself.

    Comment by esheley | September 8, 2009 | Reply

  69. Hi all! So glad to have found this website! All your stories have been so helpful. I’m still feeling nervous and scared though. We just brought our kitty, Bonk (he likes to bonk EVERYTHING with the flat of his head hehe), home from the hospital today. He has cholangiohepatitis with a side of hepatic lipidosis. After he was diagnosed we had a really successful week getting him to eat around 5oz of wet food and nibbles of dry, plus pilling 4-5 times a day. Then the weekend hit and he suddenly regressed. Wouldn’t eat. Could barely get an ounce or two in him. We got him back to Tufts and after long consultation decided to go ahead with the feeding tube. He is 14 so we were worried about what it would put him through and how much time he’d have with us after. They assured us that cats tend to do really well with the feeding tubes and his prognosis would be good. We got his blood tests back and his liver values were actually all at normal! But he still wouldn’t eat and he still needed a few weeks of antibiotics. They figured the pilling and stress was causing the anorexia.

    So, the minute we got him home tonight he started scratching incessantly at the bandages…and one of the pieces of padding under the bandage came out (they’d put it above where the tube comes out, to prevent the threads around the tube from rubbing his skin). I’m scared to leave him alone at all for fear he’ll pull it out :( He is in a separate part of the house because we also had redirected aggression issues with him and he can’t be around the other cats at all. He has the upstairs and they have downstairs (along with us…). Right now hubby and I are taking turns keeping an eye on him but it won’t be possible to guard him the entire time.

    Then we tried the feeding. They sent us home with Iams Max Cal and told us to mix one can plus 25ml water in the blender, then warm it up and give him 36ml of slurry four times a day. So I followed those directions but oh my lord that syringe kept clogging. The food is so grainy! We only got a few mL in him. So I went downstairs and added a bit more water and blended it some more. That worked much better, but by then he was wide awake and wouldn’t sit still. He actually started growling at us. I was scared he was actually going to snip at me! A very unhappy cat! I think we were lucky to get 10mL total in him. I was able to get the 5mL of water afterwards to clear the tube but that’s it. At the hospital today they said he only got 2 feedings of 10mL, so he hasn’t had much at all. We are really really hoping that the next feeding goes better.

    I’m trying to keep positive and hope that he gets better with this over time! Any pointers or advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

    Comment by Tara | October 7, 2009 | Reply

    • For Scratchy we fed Science Diet A/D, which we barely had to mix any water in. They first gave us the syringes without the screw tops & that was impossible, so we went back and got the 60 cc syringes that screw on and they work like a charm. They only last a couple days before they wear out & get really hard to push, so we ordered a box of them online.

      For her bandage, she didn’t really bother it at all. We used the nonstick pads with a hole cut to fit around the tube, then wrapped gauze under & over the tube, then the colorful tape. You could put an e-collar on to prevent him from messing with it. She also had a t-shirt on & the ones with a higher collar (like a turtleneck) covered the bandage. Another thing I’ve seen is that people cut the elastic part off a tube sock & put that over the bandage.

      We kept her in a cage the whole time because we were paranoid that she would get her tube caught & rip it out. So it was much easier to feed her in the cage. Sometimes we would put her on the bed to do it & she would move around a lot. The t-shirt helped here, too, since I would just hold on to her shirt to keep her still. but one time the pizza man came to the door & freaked her out & she bolted under the bed with the syringe still attached…

      So she got it out about 2 weeks ago after having it in 5 weeks. The first couple weeks were really rough, but then it was as routine as getting the mail.

      So good luck and hang in there! If you need more advice check out the yahoo group called feline assisted feeding.

      Comment by Christine | October 8, 2009 | Reply

  70. Hi Tara,

    We did one can Max Cal to half a can of water, and we used big, 60cc syringes with an end that fit straight into the tube. The big syringes were a little hard to manage, but they didn’t clog like the 35cc syringes did, or like the 60cc ones with the smaller mouth (those required an adaptor–they called it a Christmas tree–between the tube and the syringe. I had one syringe that just never worked very well. It was hard to manage and clogged all the time. So it was nice to have some spares on hand. Maybe ask your vet for a bunch of different sizes and see what works. I also found that my syringes deteriorated over time. Betsy was on the tube for a little over two weeks, and I got new syringes at least once during that time.

    Our feeding amount was different. Betsy was 11 pounds when she went on tube feeding, and on Max Cal mixed a can to half can water, we were to give her 240 ccs a day. I split that into three or four feedings, depending on our schedule. Warm slurry flows MUCH easier than cool.

    cc’s are the same as ml’s. You probably already know this, but I didn’t, so I thought I’d pass it along!

    The stupid neck wrap gave us trouble, too. Betsy clawed at that thing constantly. Ours had a gauze pad that straddled around the tube site, then a cotton-based wrap that went around her neck and got all fuzzy and frayed around the edges, then that broken-arm material over the top–usually bright green or bright red.

    Good luck with Bonk. Poor guy. Oh, one more thing I just remembered: Betsy HATED being tube-fed on the counter, but she LOVED the process when we sat in the bathtub with her. We laid a thick towel in there and I’d climb in there with her and feed her there. Killed my back, but she didn’t fight it. On the counter, she hissed and growled and basically acted like a cat I’d never met before.

    Comment by anne | October 7, 2009 | Reply

  71. Tara, one more thing: The gauze pad that went beneath all the wrapping on the neck wrap: It was a small thing, maybe 2 inches by 2 inches, and had a plastic-type backing on it. We folded it and cut a slit in it with a slightly rounded spot at the end, so when we opened it up, it had a slice and a little hole that went neatly around the tube entry site. We put Neosporin around the tube entry site, then put on the gauze pad, plastic side against Betsy’s fur, then did the cotton wrap and the rubbery stuff. Then we had some water-resistant tape that we used to secure the tube so that looped around at the back of her neck and ran up between her ears. Betsy’s tube stayed in place and didn’t appear to move at all, then one day it fell out on its own. In retrospect, we think it got loose when we gave her more freedom around the house and she began trying to drink from a tall horseshoe-shaped faucet that she loves. It would’ve been perfect for her to catch the tube loop on that faucet, and we’re relatively certain that’s what happened.

    Comment by anne | October 7, 2009 | Reply

  72. I have to agree with Anne, the larger syringes really make a difference. Talk to your vet about this, because the end of the feeding tube needs to be wide enough to accommodate a larger syringe tip. My vet snipped off the end of the syringe to make the opening wider, too, so that helped with the flow. Once the flow is better, remember to go slowly with the feeding. A cat’s stomach has its limits and if you give too much too quickly, Bonk could end up vomiting it all up.

    The other thing that Anne mentions that’s a great piece of advice is to try a couple of different locations for feeding. I was fortunate in that Eddie would sit on the counter for me, but not all cats will. Some want to be tube-fed on the floor or in the bathtub or somewhere else. The problem is, you’re experimenting at the beginning of the process when a) you’re less confident than you will be and b) the cat is sickest. So it’s a bit nerve-wracking.

    As for the neck wrap, my vet put honey around the entry site of the tube, saying it worked better than any commercial medication she’d ever tried. And Eddie had no infection or inflammation there, so it evidently helped. And after wrapping a lot of gauze around his neck, she covered it with a stretchy plastic mesh material that came in bright colors and clung to itself. She’d wrap that around his neck several times. He would still claw at it — on the opposite side from the tube for some reason — but it took him 5-7 days to shred it to the point that it bothered me. I took him back to the vet each week to get his neck rewrapped.

    Good luck with this, Tara. I’m sure you and Bonk will do fine, but the early days of this process can make a person crazy.

    Comment by esheley | October 8, 2009 | Reply

    • Oh, guys, bad news tonight. Betsy’s back in the hospital, and the prognosis is grim.

      Even as I was posting to Tara yesterday, I was suspecting something wasn’t quite right with Betsy. She slept under my daughter’s bed night before last, and was spending a lot of time hanging out in the garage–kind of like she was avoiding us. She was moving a little slow, too. It was all very subtle–so subtle that I almost ignored it. But, given her history, and the fact that we’ve never known what caused her HL last spring, I decided to have her checked out, just to be sure. Got an appointment for tonight and, sure enough, her weight had dropped by half a pound. So they did a quickie in-office blood panel and 15 minutes later were telling me she needed to be hospitalized. Her red blood cell count is 18%. (Normal is 29 to 40.) The vet told me this is dangerously low–that at 12%, they do transfusions.

      So I let them keep her for the night, to monitor her while we await the “real” blood panel results, due tomorrow. It’s possible it’s a parasite that will respond to antiobiotics (which they’ve already started her on). It’s more likely it’s either an autoimmune disease (IMHA), which CAN respond to prednisone but is likely deadly, or cancer. My hunch is that it’s one of the two latter, and that it was what kicked off her HL last spring. Her lab results from last spring show no signs of compromised RBCs, except on one test that seemed explainable by her liver healing and that reversed itself within a few days. But I suspect whatever we’re looking at now was in the picture in April. It just seems too unlikely for a previously perfectly healthy, 6-year-old cat to develop two life-threatening illnesses in six-months’ time.

      We’re all really upset, and not feeling all that hopeful. Just wanted to share. I’ll post again when we know more. I realize this is off-topic from tube-feeding, but am taking a chance no one will mind too much. I’d tube-feed again if I thought it would save Betsy’s life. Unfortunately, right now it won’t.

      Comment by anne | October 9, 2009 | Reply

      • Scratchy’s protein levels were almost down to 0 (among the rest of her problems with HL and pancreatitis). We were thinking if putting her down since we had already spent a fortune and she was just getting worse and she was completely miserable. They said let’s try one more thing, and even if it helps she’ll have a 50/50 chance of pulling through. So they gave her a plasma transfusion and the next day her protein level stopeed dropping, but it was still really bad. I was braced for the end, but they said let’s try one more transfusion. After that her protein level held steady for a few days and then started to improve. 6 weeks later she is finally off her tube and now just has a bit of a higher than normal ALT.

        So everyone kept telling me not to give up hope, and I thought they were all crazy. I was not ready to let her go, but I started feeling selfish that I was not able to make “the” decision. So after a few days I think I had accepted it and felt ok with it since I did evertyhing I could to give her all the tests & treatments I could.

        Hang in there, and we will be sending good thoughts your way!

        Comment by Christine | October 9, 2009

  73. Oh, Anne, I’m so sorry! And don’t worry about being “off-topic” on this — this is my personal blog, and I say you can post anything related to Betsy here.

    It’s always so hard when they don’t make it. There’s that feeling of helplessness and frustration, especially when they’re young like Betsy. But here’s the thing that ties it all back to tube-feeding: you did everything you could. Regardless of the outcome, good or bad, you did everything you could by trying the tube-feeding. It’s cold comfort when your pet is critically ill or passes away, but you will always know that you didn’t walk away from helping her, even though it was difficult, time-consuming, and inconvenient.

    Please do let us know the outcome. I’m hoping for the best.

    Comment by esheley | October 9, 2009 | Reply

  74. Thanks for the good thoughts. I talked with the vet this morning and the prognosis is guessy at best. She says Betsy “looks great for a cat with such dismal lab values.” She believes it’s either a bone marrow cancer or autoimmune disorder, both of which she’d treat the same way: with prednisone and doxycycline. (Betsy’s RBCs and WBCs are low.) We’re going to bring her home tonight, medicate her and see how she does. Best case scenario, she’ll begin to recover. Worst: She continues to decline and we have her put to sleep. It’s all very frustrating, especially when she was doing so well. Both vets we’ve talked with since last night are scratching their heads over any possible connection between springtime’s bout with hepatic lipidosis and now this anemia, because in May Betsy had no remarkable blood cell count results. And now that’s ALL that’s remarkable. The problem is, they’re devastatingly low. My hunch is that we’re just buying a little time–maybe very little–but I’ve been surprised before. I just can’t see euthanizing a cat who “looks great” just because her labs look bad when the treatment is relatively cheap and not invasive. Since I’ve become a pro at pilling a cat (thanks, Elizabeth), a few drugs are no problem!

    Comment by anne | October 9, 2009 | Reply

  75. Anne, this reminds me of when I took Eddie to the new vet. She said that without the medical records, she wouldn’t know there was anything wrong with him.
    These mystery ailments are perplexing. One of my first two cats, Rabbit, was diagnosed with a very rare form of leukemia for which there was no standard treatment. Our vet called a few vet med professors, and one said, “well, I guess you could try removing her spleen.” Can you believe that? Rabbit was a beloved pet, not a science experiment. Anyway, no one gave her more than 6 months to live, and she lasted 27 months.
    So the only advice I’ll give is to let Betsy tell you when it’s time to go, not the lab work. She could end up surprising everyone.

    Comment by esheley | October 9, 2009 | Reply

  76. Thanks for the reminder to let Betsy tell me when it’s time to go. Right now, it’s looking sooner than I’d like, but I’m trying not to jump to judgment before the meds would even have a chance to start working. (Vet said four to five days before her marrow would be able to generate enough cells to make much visible difference.) Betsy’s home, eating nothing, just lying around. She’s alert and friendly–lots of meowing and purring–but clearly weak and tired, moreso today than last night. I’m force-feeding her Max Cal–a process that is less traumatic than I thought it would be, and probably the biggest indicator of Betsy’s weakness. I hold her against my side, force her mouth open, smear the food against the roof of her mouth and wait for her to swallow it all. She hates this, but she only fights me a little. And she’s not growling or seeming that stressed out, and she goes back to purring and talking when we’re done. I figure if I can get half a can or so of Max Cal into her a day, we might stave off hepatic lipidosis if she’s to survive this anemia. I feel like I should give her as much of a chance as I can during these transition days when the meds might be working withour our knowing. Thanks for listening.

    Comment by anne | October 10, 2009 | Reply

  77. Hello. I was wondering if anyone out there has any advice for our situation. Our cat Patchi was diagosed with hepatic lipidosis and pancreatitis over 2 months ago. By the time we found out and got the feeding tube in place she had lost 5 pounds and was very jaundiced. Approximately one month into tube feeding Patchi was showing great improvements. She was eating small amounts here and there and her liver enzymes went from high 300’s to nearly normal levels. After that we decreased the tube feedings but Patchi’s progress plateued and then started to decline. Now she is vomiting much more frequently and gags every time we present food in front of her. I was wondering if anyone out there has advice on whether I should continue as I have been. The surgeon who placed the feeding tube told us he is beginning to lose hope for Patchi’s recovery. Also I’ve been wondering if there have been cases where the cat was on tube feedings for over 2 months and still recovered. Thanks in advance ! It is really helpful to learn about other experiences.

    Comment by Amanda | October 12, 2009 | Reply

    • Hi Amanda,

      So Patchi is still on the tube? Is she eating at all by mouth? I wonder if you could dial her back to just tube feeding again and perhaps spread out her feedings to lesser amounts more times a day. We had to do that with Betsy when she was on a food that required too much volume.

      Also, is it possible whatever you’re feeding her is too rich? I remember my vet telling me that some cats cannot tolerate Max Cal, that it’s too heavy/rich for them. (Of course, at that point he was trying to sell me on the merits of feeding Betsy L/D because his clinic was out of stock on Max Cal. Within two days, it was clear that the volumes of L/D required were too great and we found Betsy some Max Cal and she stomached it just fine.) Maybe ask your vet to prescribe the mildest food there is and see if she’ll tolerate more tube-feedings of less volume.

      What do her lab values look like? Does she still have high liver and pancreas numbers?

      I do know that in my online research before we put Betsy on the feeding tube last spring, I ran across people who had tube fed for up to a year. I remember this because I thought to myself that I couldn’t see doing that. That was before I actually had any experience with tube-feeding, and I thought it was a much more involved process than it ended up being. (I envisioned a comatose cat connected to an IV type thing, continuously being fed.)

      Good luck. Believe me, I can totally relate to the heartbreak of hearing that hope is dwindling. Totally.

      Comment by anne | October 12, 2009 | Reply

  78. Wondering how Patchi, Scratchy and Bonk are doing . . .

    Things are actually pretty good with Betsy. She started eating on her own eight days ago–the day after I force-fed her–and her strength has gradually improved. She saw the vet this past weekend for a blood count and her WBCs are normal, her RBCs are at the low end of normal, and all her other blood lines are fine. The blood panel pattern, weird as it is, strongly suggests it was a regenerative anemia (a better prognosis than non-regenerative), and it appears the medication may have bought her enough time for her bone marrow to kick back into gear before her counts dipped too low. The cause remains a mystery–and so, therefore, does the prognosis. It could be autoimmune, which is dreadfully unstable, or cancer–in which case, a decline is looming.

    But for today, she’s looking and feeling well, and her labs support that. Once again, I’ve dismantled the sick-cat bathroom where I was sequestering her at night; she’s got the run of the house again, she’s all over the counters and windowsills, she’s mowing through the cat food (prednisone increases appetite), cuffing her roommate, living her full life with bright eyes and glossy black hair.

    Assuming things remain good, she goes back to the vet again this weekend for another blood test, and she’ll stay on the meds for a couple more weeks at least. But one thing the vet told me that I’m sure rings true: If this is real recovery, we’ll have to be very attentive for signs of trouble, because we don’t know what caused this, which means we don’t know that it wouldn’t happen again. I’m still convinced that this and the HL are connected–I just don’t know what came first. I was thinking that whatever this is had to have caused Betsy to stop eating last spring and thus caused the HL, but her springtime bloodwork doesn’t support that line of thinking at all. Now I’m wondering if she didn’t pick up something infectious during her HL treatment, either through the tube site, in the hospital or in either of the vet offices. But we’ll never know.

    I hope everybody’s doing well.

    Comment by anne | October 19, 2009 | Reply

  79. Hi, your blog post about Eddie have been so helpful. He looks very much like my Bentley. About a month ago, we had a feeding tube placed in his neck. He had stopped eating and was refusing pills (by hiding them in his mouth and spitting them out later). It was tough doing the tube feedings but meds were fine going through. After about ten days, he got a checkup and found that his intestinal swelling and white blood count and anemia were gone. We continued the feedings and the meds. He was improving slowly. His personality started to return and he started to eat little amounts of regular wet and dry food.

    My husband and I went away to a good friend’s wedding for about 3 days. We put Bentley in medical boarding at our vet since he still needed meds 3 times a day as well as tube feedings. When we brought him home from the vet, he started vomiting again, not eating regular food, loose stool, hiding under our bed, etc. We both feel so guilty for boarding him but he needed medical attention that a regular cat sitter probably couldn’t provide.

    At this point, the tube is quite clogged with food and we can’t get meds or food done. I’ve been squirting Coke in the tube and slowly it’s unclogging but very slowly.

    I’m worried about Bentley because he was doing so well and has seemed to regress. Does anyone who has gone through a similar experience with their cat have any advice? Bentley first got sick around Labor Day and a month later, he’s back to square one.

    Comment by Jennifer Chen | October 20, 2009 | Reply

  80. Hi, Anne and Jennifer–
    Anne, I’m so happy that Betsy is doing better. I was worried about her. And she sounds like such a sweet cat, too. Eddie had a mysterious blood panel a few months before he was diagnosed as diabetic. In the scheme of things, it wasn’t so bad – shots are easy compared to pills, which I can do.

    Jennifer, it sounds like your vet should be more concerned about the problems that arose while Bentley was there. Have you talked to your vet? He or she should be able to clear the tube for you, too. I’m wondering if you might want to get a second opinion from another vet, because yours doesn’t sound that engaged. I could be reading the situation wrong, but if Bentley improved, then he shouldn’t have declined while staying at the vet.
    Good luck with this, and let me know how it goes.

    Comment by esheley | October 21, 2009 | Reply

  81. Hi Jennifer, maybe get that tube checked by the vet. Betsy’s had what seemed to be in intractable clog like that and it turned out not to be clogged, but had actually come out of her neck and was jammed against the inside of neck wrapping. We didn’t know this til her tube fell to the floor later that morning and when we removed the neck wrap, there was the spot it was adhered to with Coke!

    I agree that Bentley shouldn’t have declined while staying at the vet, unless stress is playing some kind of tremendous role in his condition.

    Elizabeth, we’re back to the vet with Betsy this weekend to see how her levels are looking. She’s looking a little fat, which doesn’t surprise me, given how much she’s eating. She’s a machine! And, yes, she’s a very sweet cat. Purrs even while I’m giving her the pill.

    I’ve noticed there seems to be a pattern in this comment section: lots of black cats. I’ve counted four or five that have been described as looking like Eddie (as Betsy does, too). I’m no statitician, but it begs the question: Do black cats get sick more often, or are there simply so many black cats in the world that it would then stand to reason that they would be represented in high numbers on any forum about cats????

    Comment by anne | October 21, 2009 | Reply

    • Interesting observation about black cats, Anne. I would imagine their prominence in the population is a factor, but I wonder if there is also a genetic vulnerability related to coat color. Long ago, I read a book on the genetic factors determining feline coloration, and how almost all of those factors link to other traits, including personality and sensory traits. So maybe you’re on to something.

      This, by the way, is the kind of thing we often discuss over on House of Fur (http://adrienneks.proboards50.com/index.cgi), where I post under a pseudonym. HoF was set up for owners of diabetic cats to discuss feline health issues and also to socialize (usually in a question-of-the-day section). By now, most of the original diabetic cats have passed away, but there are other special needs cats living with various regulars, so we have lively discussions in the health section. If you’re interested in joining, Anne, tell the admin I sent you.

      That goes for anyone else who shows up here, too.

      Comment by esheley | October 22, 2009 | Reply

  82. It’s so good of you to leave this online, to give others in the same situation the courage to see it through!

    And I’m so, so glad Eddie is so much better!

    Comment by Gayle (Gazehound's Animal Communication) | October 23, 2009 | Reply

  83. This was all so helpful. After 5 days in intensive care, our 2 year old cat Izzy is home, complete with 6 meds and a feeding tube. Day one went okay, it’s messy, but I’ll get better. I just hope she does. They still aren’t sure whats up, but she is jaundiced and her liver is enlarged. It appears to fatty liver, but she’s tiny and only 2. I’m so worried about her. She has not interest in food or water by mouth. Any tips

    Comment by Kathy | October 27, 2009 | Reply

  84. Kathy, it sounds like Izzy is getting good care, and you’re right, you’ll get better at this, as will Izzy. It does sound like fatty liver, which is one of the conditions that tube-feeding is good for.
    Eddie wasn’t interested in food or water for a couple of weeks after he became sick. Then he’d sniff it and walk away. He did eat eventually, though, and almost all of them do. If Izzy seems overly content with the tube-feeding, an appetite stimulant might help her redevelop an interest in her food. But you’re not there yet.
    Good luck with her!

    Comment by esheley | October 27, 2009 | Reply

  85. Yep, from what you say, Kathy, it sounds like hepatic lipidosis with Izzy. That’s what Betsy had and we don’t know if she got it and stopped eating, or whether she stopped eating and got it. But either way, she had no interest in food. Water, yes. But not food. The good thing is, once Izzy’s getting enough calories, her liver will clear out, her appetite will return. Betsy started eating a little bit after she’d been on the tube for about a week, I think.

    Tube feeding is messy. That’s why I always did it in the bathroom with Betsy–in the tub, with a roll of paper towels handy and nothing around that could be ruined by splatters of cat-food slurry. Betsy would shake her head because the tube wrapping irritated her, and if I didn’t have that tube capped, little droplets of food would spray everywhere. It’s been six months and I’m still finding pieces of dried Max Cal stuck to the tile in that bathroom.

    Good luck with Izzy. I hope she feels better soon.

    Comment by anne | October 28, 2009 | Reply

  86. Thanks for your wonderful website. My 1 1/2-year old cat, Ariel, got diagnosed today with fatty liver disease. She is getting an e-tube tomorrow morning. I am feeling anxious, but more informed about the process of doing tube feedings with her. I am also encouraged that I have this website to post any questions and concerns that I may have.

    I have consulted with 4 vets through the many tests Ariel has had and everyone is surprised that she has this diagnosis at such a young age, but everything else has been ruled out. I lost a 6-month-old cat, Bella, a little over a year and a half ago to Feline Infectious Peritonitis (FIP) which is 100% fatal. My primary vet is not at all convinced that this FLD is not the precursor to FIP and that my oldest cat, two-year-old Basil is not a carrier of FIP. So, I am cautiously optimistic that the e-tube will potentially help Ariel to be healthy again. Has anyone had a cat eventually get the diagnosis with FIP after being diagnosed with FLD?

    Comment by Dian | October 31, 2009 | Reply

  87. This is a great website! My cat was brought in to the emergency C.A.R.E Center in Calgary, Alberta 2 weeks ago. She was diagnosed with fatty liver disease, and had to have a large mass removed from her stomach. They gave her an Esophagostomy feeding tube, as well as some Zentonil, and Carnitine (which is almost impossible to make her take, and swallow whole! They let her come home once her surgery was done. The minute we brought her home, she went strait to her food, and ate a little… then again in 1/2 an hour. We thought this was great! After the first day, she salivated alot, and still continues to do it regularly. She doesn’t want to eat her regular food now though (only the one day). She still will not drink any water (She was put on an IV in the hospital because of dehydration) Is she getting enough through her tube? I was wondering if anyone has had a problem with their cat vomiting up the feeding tube? Is it the whole thing, or just a piece of it? My cat vomited this morning, and about 1cm of her tube came out (broken off).

    Comment by Amber | October 31, 2009 | Reply

  88. Amber, the tube came out in her vomit? Would that mean that it broke off down in her stomach? I don’t see how it could happen–the tube Betsy had was rubbery and very flexible, and when the vet mentioned the possibility of it being vomited up, I assumed that meant it would come out the incision in her neck. (Which Betsy’s eventually did, but not from vomiting.) This definitely seems like something you’d want to mention to your vet!

    Between the slurry we were feeding Betsy (which was mixed half can water to one can food), and the water I was shooting through the tube to clear it before and after feedings and medications, I worried Betsy was getting too much water. So my sense is that dehydration wouldn’t be a problem with tube feeding unless there’s significant vomiting or diarrhea.

    Dian, my only experience with FIP involved having Betsy tested a few years ago, when we were planning to adopt a second cat. Betsy tested negative. The second cat tested positive, though, and we opted out of the adoption. It was an excruciating decision because the vets explained that the FIP test is not necessarily indicative of active disease or even disease-to-come, it doesn’t mean the cat’s definitely a carrier . . . it CAN mean all that, but a positive test doesn’t guarantee any of that. It’s so commonly positive that cat shelters don’t typically run the test because of people like us–who would run at the mere possibility it MIGHT create a disaster. In the end, despite the unlikelihood that the second cat would infect Betsy, I could not get comfortable with the possibility. Betsy and the second cat never met.

    As far as we continue to know with Betsy, she does not have FIP. She definitely had FLD (hepatic lipidosis) six months ago and she’s now recovering from that mysterious bout with regenerative anemia/leukopenia. Shrugs continue about why, for both illnesses, yet for the moment–after two weeks of tube-feeding last spring, a return to health, then four weeks of antibiotics and prednisone therapy now for the anemia–Betsy was pronounced healthy today by our vet. Her white blood cells have been normal since a week after we started treatment, and her red cells have been steadily climbing and today were at 40 percent, which the high side of normal. She’s tapering off pred now, down to one-quarter of the original dose. A month ago, I thought I’d be putting her to sleep. I think I’m starting to understand that saying about nine lives.

    Happy Halloween, everyone. Let’s keep our lucky black cats safe tonight!

    Comment by anne | October 31, 2009 | Reply

  89. Ariel is doing really well today and it looks like she will be coming home tomorrow. However, the day after surgery (Sunday) was very scary. They let me come and visit her and I was immediately worried. She was very lethargic, nauseated and seemed depressed. The vet tech took her temperature and it was 103.6. She called the vet at home who immediately came over. They ran blood tests which revealed a low red blood count and low potassium level. The vet explained that we could be looking at refeeding syndrome….time would tell. The vet also asked that I make myself available for the next 6 hours as they would repeat the blood work two more times that day. If Ariel’s red blood cells continued to go down, I would have to take her to an all-night emergency clinic for a blood transfusion.

    Long story short–yesterday and today’s news is that her red blood cells have stabilized, she has a normal temperature, she is no longer nauseated, and the feedings are going well. In addition, Ariel is also eating some of her dry food. But the best news is that as of yesterday her bilirubin count has dropped from 11 to 2.6. I read that if a cats bilirubin count drops to half of its original number within 7 to 10 days, there is a 90% chance of survival.

    Any words of advice on making the transition from veterinary clinic to home as trauma-free as possible for Ariel?

    Comment by Dian | November 3, 2009 | Reply

  90. Hi,signing in from New Brunswick,Canada;great site;so happy to have come upon it!!! My eleven and one-half-year-old cat,KoKo,has been diagnosed with Renal Disease(level 4);also heart murmur and anaemia. He had a feed tube inserted last Friday. He is drousy,sleeping a lot;he has not spoken since he came home;he seems cold all the time;he prefers his head to be tilted down,as he gets irritable if he is elevated for more than a minute. He falls asleep right after his tube feeding. He likes to climb up on my chest,maybe for warmth,but soon after seems to have problem with his throat and moves to the top of the couch so he can sleep with his head hanging down. He is receiving Hormone Injections,(Darbepoetin alfa),once a week;to receive his second shot this Thursday;feeding him MediCal Reduced Protein (3/4 can per day). Administering: 4 x per day: mix 1/4 can of food with 30ml of water and 1ml of Amphogel(for fast relief of heartburn and excess acidity),and give it to KoKo;then flush tube with 20ml of water. Once a day add 1/4 tablet of Famotidine (10mg.)which is Pepcid AC. Total of 4ml of Amphojel per day. I mix this up in a Magic Bullet purchased just for KoKo. Our Vet gave us five 35ml syringes to use,one for the food and we use one to administer his water afterward. He came home from the Vet Friday evening,only to be pooping numerous times on my good scatter rug,which is totally out of caracter for him,but I guess it had to come out sometime. Since then he has had only one small stool. We are not giving him as much of the recipe the Vet suggested;we are easing him into it,giving lower doses,but more often. He gages a bit after some feedings,but has not actually thrown up yet. I give him a Tuna treat afterwards,as that is his favourite food;the Vet is not happy about that as she wants him eating ONLY VET FOOD – YUCK!!! He has to be on a low sodium,low protein,low phosphorous food for his Renal Disease. Has anyone heard of Vets resorting to this Hormone (Darbepoetin alfa) for Anaemia,to build up red blood cells??? I googled the drug,and was alarmed to find out that it was once used on Cancer and Renal patients,but on March 22/07 due to a congressional inquiry,Manufacturers were asked to suspend marketing the drug to patients. The FDA released a Public Health Advisory on March 9/07,which indicated a lack of clinical evidence to support improvements in quality of life in patients. It is produced by recombinant DNA technology in modified Chinese hamster ovary cells. It is an erythropoiesis-stimulating 165-amino acid protein. It increases the risk of cardiovascular problems,including cardiac arrest,arrhythmia,hypertension and hypertensive encephalopathy,congestive heart failure,vascular thrombosis or ischemia,myocardial infarction and edema. Also seisures and strokes. I could really use your feed-back on this drug;I have expressed my concern to my Vet,to no avail! I am considering going to see a Homeopathic Vet;I have an appointment for this Thursday,but do not know if I should follow thru with it. She said if I did,KoKo could be dead in three to four months;that he needs to be kept on these Hormones to see if they can regenerate red blood cells. It will take at least three injections to see an improvement in his health. She said if he does not improve he will likely need blood tranfusions.Any advice for a DESPERATE PET OWNER??? My Vet has never treated Renal Cats before!

    Comment by Margaret | November 3, 2009 | Reply

  91. Hi Margaret,

    I would find a vet that has treated renal cats. When Betsy had hepatic lipidosis last spring, our regular vet was the wrong guy to see–we discovered–because as an outpatient clinician, he did not see enough HL from diagnosis to recovery to be able to tell me what I was up against. It wasn’t til I got to a 24-hour hospital, where they saw HL all the time, that I got the benefit of several veterinarians’ experience. It made all the difference in terms of weighing the cost-to-benefit, suffering-to-benefit questions.

    I have not heard of darbepoetin alfa. Betsy has had anemia and is undergoing treatment for it now. I’ll ask my vet when we see her next week. Sounds like something bike racers might use to enhance performance!

    For what it’s worth, Betsy began regenerating RBCs on prednisone and doxycycline. She’s not renal, though, and we have no idea what caused her anemia. So her case might have no relevance to KoKo’s, but I’m passing it along since Elizabeth’s post here about Max Cal gave me specifics to ask my vet about when I was seeking a higher-calorie slurry for Betsy when we were tube-feeding.

    Good luck with KoKo. I can’t imagine a raft of drugs is the best thing for a renal cat–seems like a lot to ask the kidneys to contend with. But I’m no vet, that’s for sure. But if your vet hasn’t treated renal cats before, I strongly encourage you to find a vet who has. Or a clinic with several vets who have.

    Comment by anne | November 3, 2009 | Reply

    • Hi Anne, Thanks for your speedy reply! I read previously while doing research that one should seek out a Vet or Vets who have treated Renal Disease;this is my second Vet Clinic;the first Clinic burned his side with a heating pad;did not know this until the new Vet informed me what the scar was from! I am so ‘angry’at the treatment my cat has received to date;he has become their ’science project’;they have no idea what they are doing,so they are prepared to try anything to see what works,at the expense of my KoKo! I am a believer in Alternative Medicine,have tried it and it worked when I needed it. Why are there not more Vets who practice this? It is much safer than all the drugs these Vets are throwing at us!!! It is thought of as Witchcraft here in this Province;”no science behind it”;this is all I hear from ever Vet Clinic I have contacted. I am going to take your advice and mention to my Vet the drugs your cat was prescribed for Anemia;see what she comes back with. I know she is conferring with a Vet who owned a cat with the Disease;she had it on a Hormone Drug similar to the one I am using,but not as effective. Thanks again Anne;good luck with Betsy! :)

      Comment by Margaret | November 3, 2009 | Reply

  92. I’m so sorry I haven’t been here to respond — we’ve been on vacation, and I usually go off the grid and don’t think about this blog until after I return. I’ll try to take a look at the specific comments tomorrow. In the meantime, I hope everyone and their cats are doing well.

    Comment by esheley | November 5, 2009 | Reply

  93. Hi Everyone,sorry I went off on the care of my cat;am a little exhausted,as I am not getting much sleep lately! KoKo went to see my Vet on Thursday;he received his second Hormone shot(Darbepoetin alfa);she perscribed some Potassium tablets(2mg),1+1/2 per day;he lost weight,down to 7.2lbs. She found him to be a bit dehydrated again;she administered a 35ml of water while there. We went alsofor a consultation with a Homeopathic Vet. He recommended an intestinal Probiotic,(Azodyl),one in the morning and one in the evening;treatment for dogs and cats with kidney disease. He suggested Omega 3s(Salmon Oil or Flax Oil),300 milligrams a day;also Calcitriol(a Vitamin D derivative) and Chlorophyl. I noticed a change in him after the Hormone shot;more alert;sitting up more as opposed to a crouching position. That evening I added the Potassium and Omega 3(Salmon Oil) to his feed tube,with his food. He seemed more comfortable,and a little like his old self. We have him up to three feedings of 35ml each;we tried four,but he vomited and had diarrhea in the night. Yesterday(in the night)I tried giving him a 35ml of water in his feed tube;he resisted me all the way;he vomited the whole thing up immediately! I guess I should listen to my cat;maybe KoKo knows best! Today I plan to add the Probiotic,but I will ease him into it;I plan to start with only half of what was recommended. Wish us luck! :)

    Comment by Margaret | November 7, 2009 | Reply

  94. Hang in there, Margaret — and no need to apologize for venting. This can be very stressful.
    Eddie got a probiotic with all his other medications. I have no idea how much it did or didn’t help, but he didn’t get sicker from it, which was my “gold standard” at the time. We added it once he began improving a bit.
    Good luck with Koko, take a nap if you can, and please let us know how things go. There are no guarantees with tube-feeding, but if it works, you’ll likely consider it worth it.

    Comment by esheley | November 7, 2009 | Reply


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